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Old 11-19-2018, 07:10 AM   #1246
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Nobody is saying otherwise. Unfortunately, however, the majority of self-published books do not fall into this category, hence our requirement that self-published books only be advertised in these threads on the basis of personal recommendation.
Also acceptable is when a self-published book was originally traditionally published and the author has reacquired the rights.
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Nobody is saying otherwise. Unfortunately, however, the majority of self-published books do not fall into this category, hence our requirement that self-published books only be advertised in these threads on the basis of personal recommendation.
Sorry. Again!

I should have quoted j.p.s., who said, "They may be a small percentage, but aren't there quite a few first rate authors that are self published?"

My point was, yes, I think that there must be quite a few first rate authors based upon the fact that 1) this gentleman is one, and 2) the circumstances that caused him to leave the traditional publishers are probably faced by other authors like him, and they leave the traditional publishers for the same reason(s) that he did.

The rule is excellent. The quality of the books posted would suffer if the door was opened to any self-pub.

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Old 11-19-2018, 10:07 PM   #1248
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Also acceptable is when a self-published book was originally traditionally published and the author has reacquired the rights.
Hmmm . . . . it seems that it would take a quite a bit of research to learn that information. And where would you go to find out that information? Would WorldCat have it? I'm wary of OpenLibrary now.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:36 AM   #1249
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Hmmm . . . . it seems that it would take a quite a bit of research to learn that information. And where would you go to find out that information? Would WorldCat have it? I'm wary of OpenLibrary now.
Usually there is a copyright date and even a first published by line.
Or look for old print editions under See all -- formats and editions

So https://www.amazon.com/Over-Death-Mi...dp/B07JCRHGV6/

and use Look inside.

Of course if the author changes the title or their pen-name more work can be needed.
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Or (for fiction books) look on "Fantastic Fiction". They don't list self-published books, so if it's there, it's been commercially-published at some point.
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Or (for fiction books) look on "Fantastic Fiction". They don't list self-published books, so if it's there, it's been commercially-published at some point.
I really wish there was a site similar to Fantastic Fiction for non-fiction books.

But if people go to the 'Adult' part of FF they do have some self published books. Or they will keep an authors book posted if they start as published and change to self or if the self published author is very highly rated.
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:02 PM   #1253
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Or (for fiction books) look on "Fantastic Fiction". They don't list self-published books, so if it's there, it's been commercially-published at some point.
Depends what you mean by, eg when self published and then by a commercial publisher promised for later

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/b/l...master-bujold/

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Or https://www.fantasticfiction.com/l/s...-diligence.htm
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:50 PM   #1254
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Or (for fiction books) look on "Fantastic Fiction". They don't list self-published books, so if it's there, it's been commercially-published at some point.
Haven't done any extensive looking, but at the very least I know they list self-pubbed books where an author started out a series with a commercial publisher, but is self-pubbing later volumes. So they do have at least some books that were self-pubbed from the get go.
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Bear in mind that the rule isn't that no self-published books should be listed here. Only that if you want to list a book that's been self-published, you should have read the book yourself (so that you can vouch for its quality).

Or as the first post puts it "Unless you have read them yourself, think they are excellent, and you're not connected to the author in any way".
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And isn't the contrapositive, inverse, converse, opposite, reverse, or whatever it is, also true? All that some websites have, like Smashwords, if I'm correct, are self-pubs, so you might as well get ready to read it yourself, think that you like it very much or it's excellent, and make sure that you're not related to the author. We've already decided, too, haven't we, that Amazon Digital Services is also an example of a website that we have to do that with?

Does anyone think that it would be helpful to name any other sites with non-fiction (notice what thread that you're reading this in) ebooks that have only self-pubs?

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I am a friend of a gentleman who is a 4-time-published, first-rate academic author. He tried the major publisher route on his first two books, but on the last two books he went the self-pub route. Why did he change? Basically the major publishers had charged so many fees, etc. that there was just about no money left for him! So, if he is any indication, there are some very good authors who are self-pubs.
This is becoming more and more true. A favorite author of mine put out several good books through a traditional publisher that specialized in occult material, then the publisher fizzled out after several years and the self-pub route had become viable, so she put out the material in new books that would be considered self-published. If anything they're better than the original traditionally published books!
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Probably "Digital Services," after "Amazon," should be considered a red flag?
Yes. Amazon Digital Services is the default on self-pubs if they don't enter a publisher name.
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And isn't the contrapositive, inverse, converse, opposite, reverse, or whatever it is, also true? All that some websites have, like Smashwords, if I'm correct, are self-pubs, so you might as well get ready to read it yourself, think that you like it very much or it's excellent, and make sure that you're not related to the author. We've already decided, too, haven't we, that Amazon Digital Services is also an example of a website that we have to do that with?

Does anyone think that it would be helpful to name any other sites with non-fiction (notice what thread that you're reading this in) ebooks that have only self-pubs?
CreateSpace is another big self-pub outfit. Seems like I see more of that company listed as the "publisher" at Amazon than I do Smashwords. I don't know--maybe knew, and now forgotten--if CreateSpace sells only non-fiction (the subject of this thread), only fiction, or some of both.

In fact, I don't think that I've ever seen Smashwords shown as the "publisher." I wonder if the authors are always shown as the" publisher." Maybe Smashword depends upon channels other than Amazon to distribute the authors' works. As you can tell, I am not very familiar with them. I remember now that they have a sale once or twice every year.

I know that at least some of Smashword's books are fiction, not non-fiction (the subject of this thread).

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