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Of course there is a better chance that what I type here might reach a voter in Arizona and convince them to try to change things than I'll reach someone with the power to do anything about Mexico. I chose my battle. If you feel the need to think ill of me for doing so that's your right. I don't think all that highly of myself either. |
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What don't you get? You say that the majority vote has occasional cases of tyranny in it. I state that there are more cases of tyranny without a majority vote.
Isn't justifying tyranny, but it is pretty much saying majority vote is the better way to go. ----------- |
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besides if we have to argue something as basic as "should the people have the final say / democracy / republic issue" then we have no common ground to even be debating this whole illegal issue.
You cannot take the good without the bad. In a land where the people vote there will sometimes be an occasional bad decision. BUT democracy is our only (imperfect) freedom. The reason why we have the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion in this country is because our father's all raised our hands and voted on it. Last edited by happy_terd; 06-24-2010 at 11:45 PM. |
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If you think the majority should have the final say on everything then yes there is no common ground. Things like the US bill of rights are there to prevent the tyranny of the majority, the people simply can't vote themselves a law that violates the constitution. By extension no matter how many people vote for tyranny it is still tyranny. If the majority vote for a guilty till proven innocent law for legal residency then the people are wrong.
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There are already laws voted in that violates the constitution. Google that shit.
Two top of my head examples: My gay buddy cannot join the army and hate crime laws sure do violate it. --------------- If the majority and the minority are both incapable then I guess you are right...we are screwed. Lets do nothing. |
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Why would they change anything?
The same reason they dont piss off the illegals is the same reason they dont piss off the private citizen, votes. ------------- We can simply agree to disagree on the issue I guess. I will see you next week when someone else starts up a similar thread. ![]() Last edited by happy_terd; 06-25-2010 at 12:03 AM. |
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YOU DON"T KNOW HELL! Iphinome, I think that you mean well. You have a cause célèbre. Within your own mind. But have you ever seen torn flesh? Death? Callow is not really a pejorative descriptor. It simply means "lacking experience of life". We all have it. And many of us outgrow that lack. |
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If you won't or can't debate the point fine but how much death and brutality I've personally witnessed really has nothing to do with the Arizona law we've been talking about being unjust and opening the way for a lot of abuse. |
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Now who's adding words to quote boxes?
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When the police stop you without cause and make demands that is intimidation. The demand to produce information could be considered a search and while a pat down without a warrant might be acceptable, a person's papers are specially listed in the 4'th amendment. When walking while brown is enough to generate police attention then you're violating the equal protection clause of the 14'th amendment. don't ask don't tell which is the law I was replying about in that quote violates equal protection. I'd wager it probably goes against more thana few anti discrimination laws as well but a civil rights lawyer would be the one to consult about that. And as a matter of my personal morality discriminating against homosexuals is wrong. If you think otherwise I doubt anything anyone here can say will convince you otherwise. Quote:
Everyone can carry ID, not everyone does. People shouldn't have to. One should not risk police detention if they walk out the door without carrying their papers. Anonymity isn't a crime. *shrug* probably a good idea. If there's work issue work visas. A bit too common sense for government though. |
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Gah, the last two pages got me all riled up.
Listen here, you don't fix a problem and violate the constitution in the process just because you need to fix the problem. We've done it before, that doesn't make it acceptable. By no means. Don't Ask Don't Tell doesn't make it right. Now, when the "solution" is Stalin-esque policing, it's not a solution. The issue with the law in the public eyes still remains that it encourages profiling, and lays the responsibility on police, whose personal bias is obviously prevalent. Like it or not, "bad cops" are out there. So are bad ___s, and the blank could be anything you want. But our law enforcement in America is notorious for small-scale corruption... Nothing like Mexico's, but we do it our own way, yes? Fix the problem at the source, the border and the immigration policy. Not on Arizona's or other state's streets. Protect foreign workers, instead of sicking the dogs on them. Above all else, hold the companies who hire illegals for those minuscule pay liable; It's those employers faults hardworking Arizonians can't get jobs. EDIT: I started writing this post before the above poster's went through, sorry if there's any redundancy. |
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