Seriously thoughtful Electric Cars : BYD

[Joebill]

Some years ago a relative gave me Ambrose Bierce's stories and dictionary in a hard cover book. No idea what happened to it.

[yvanleterrible]

Originally Posted by Joebill

While I have no problem with viable alternatives to oil, there are presently none.

Making all those extra batteries is highly polluting.

The only present way to make the gigawatts of electricity needed to charge a nation of electric cars and busses every night is this: nuclear power plants and coal fired boilers to generate steam then eletricity.

Yes, there are windmills, but they cause environmental damage, and they have to be where the wind is constant enough to turn the wind mills and generate electricity. The bigger the blades the higher the wind speed has to be. I checked into this in 1977 and I watch recent documentaries. it just doesn't work, still experimental.

Solar cells: incredibly poor quality. They just don't generate large quatities of electricty with small amounts of solar cells.

For an environmental science class in 1990 I did the research for viable powerr generation. Coal and nuclear was it, with water/dams a distant third.

The rest are barely out of alpha test stage.

I would love to see a viable alternative, but it doesn't exist now.

Oh, corn into oil. Well, there is a weed, not a food product, that gives more oil per acre than corn does. But it is being ignored because farmers don't grow it.

That's what I said about those searching for ONE alternative to oil being binary. Oil, nothing, Oil, nothing... Good grief!

A panacea can not be found. It doesn't exist. There's a great big bag of tricks available and one chooses what is available and safest for the job and the environment about. It is not easy, it requires effort, investment. And first a will to save, to make changes to one's wasteful ways. Thought.

If you haven't looked at improvements since 1990 you're way out of touch. You can't judge alternatives on such old information.

There are other wind generators than windmills available.

Batteries are recyclable in their entirety, every part of them. The few companies offering an EV on the market take spent batteries back at the end of the cycle to recycle them. Nissan's Leaf is sold without the battery. You lease it in a separate contract. You don't own it.

Just visit someone who lives with off grid solar and tell them to their faces that it doesn't work...

Liquid fuel and hydrogen research are alternatives being studied by the oil producers in a way they could have an alternative to maintain their cartel alive. They will do everything in their power to dissipate anyone's will to do better without them. They will lie and exploit laziness for profit.

Car makers today are toy makers. They sell iPod holders and gadgets. The economy they sell is a lie, a blatant lie...
You want gadgets? Okay, but you have to realize that the weight of that luxury is a third of the weight of that car. That takes extra fuel, full time...


Geez, listen to me! I knew I'd wind myself this way... eventually.

This is my last post on this thread.
See you elsewhere...

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

My fan club!!!

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

Who decides who gets the 90% and who gets the 10%? If you really think it's going to be done on actual need or merit of the situation, I've got some land just east of Miami Beach for sale...

(Heh) There ya go again, Ralph... assuming one person is going to dictate to unfortunate others what they have to do.

When practical, attractive, affordable EVs arrive, and laws shape the economic landscape to favor them, you won't have to force them on the public. Those who are smart enough to know that EVs are best for them, will buy them. Others will change because it will cost them less. That's the American Way.

There will always be those who will refuse to change, whether they have a good reason to or not... but if EVs begin to outnumber ICEs, ICE prices will go up as EV prices come down, and the higher cost of buying, fueling and maintaining ICEs will eventually cause many of the holdouts to switch to EVs out of financial necessity. The American Way, again.

So you'll still be able to buy your ICE. It'll just cost you a lot more to buy it, fuel it and maintain it. Your choice. Start saving those pennies.

Originally Posted by Joebill

While I have no problem with viable alternatives to oil, there are presently none.

Sure there are. The only real roadblock is the refusal of a country's individuals to give up the bad habits they believe they've earned simply by being American... it's the bad habits that force us to use so much oil. We can adopt sensible habits, need far less oil, and can transition to existing alternative energy sources, right now.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by Joebill

Fossil fuel.

Still worth looking into, as (natural gas) pollutes less than oil.

[GeoffC]

steam !

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by GeoffC

steam !

Yes, it is hot out today...

Seriously, I mentioned that other forms of energy-storing tech can be added to EVs, to augment it at certain times and for certain tasks, much like an ICE also uses electricity and hydraulics to store and transmit energy for certain tasks. Flywheels and compressed air, and even steam, could be added to the electric vehicle's power plant.

[WT Sharpe]

Steam cars were around 100 years ago. Could they be made today to be more efficient? What kind of pollution would they produce?

[Joebill]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Steam cars were around 100 years ago. Could they be made today to be more efficient? What kind of pollution would they produce?

I found an interesting thing out some years ago.

The Automobile industry got laws passed in some states requiring a steam specialist to drive a car there. tech degree holder.

[Joebill]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

Still worth looking into, as (natural gas) pollutes less than oil.

Well, I'm pointing out it is limited, it too will run out eventually.

I guess I should mention an article I read years ago.

Just before the US Navy, in 1895, started converting its ships from coal to fuel oil, the oil companies said the planet was running out of oil, and rasied their prices.

The oil companies have made the same claim, and jumped their prices up, at least 7 times since then.

Too bad the science fictional thing called a 'shipstone' is just a work of ficiton.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by Joebill

Just before the US Navy, in 1895, started converting its ships from coal to fuel oil, the oil companies said the planet was running out of oil, and rasied their prices.

The oil companies have made the same claim, and jumped their prices up, at least 7 times since then.

Yup. And after repeatedly lying to us, and artificially jacking up their prices... we still use their product like there's (quite literally) no tomorrow.

What does that make us?

[Joebill]

I feel backed into a corner they painted us into.

I didn't choose to use gasoline, it happens to be the only cheap method of transport.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by Joebill

I feel backed into a corner they painted us into.

I didn't choose to use gasoline, it happens to be the only cheap method of transport.

They'd like you to think that... but you'd be wrong!

See how they've brainwashed us into becoming oil junkies, thinking there is no way out? That's why they are EVIL, and need to be brought to public tribunal for their heinous, devious, insidious crimes!

...'scuze me... I channeled Adam West there, for a minute. Must be the granola.

[Ham88]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

They'd like you to think that... but you'd be wrong!

See how they've brainwashed us into becoming oil junkies, thinking there is no way out? That's why they are EVIL, and need to be brought to public tribunal for their heinous, devious, insidious crimes!

...'scuze me... I channeled Adam West there, for a minute. Must be the granola.

Your my hero

can't wait until they finally release the Smart 4two electric. that car is a hammer.

[GeoffC]

Originally Posted by Joebill

I feel backed into a corner they painted us into.

I didn't choose to use gasoline, it happens to be the only cheap method of transport.

ahem ..... I beg to differ .....


you have two legs, don't you ?