iPad Can the iPad replace ebook readers? - Page 8

scottjl · 04-09-2010, 07:25 PM

ok. i'm not sure what article you're referring to. but if you watch the keynote address here are the facts:

1. apple will sell the ads (do the work finding companies wanting to advertise) and the work producing the ads. neither the company doing the advertising nor the application developer has to do any production work.
2. all ads are developed in html 5, no flash
3. an app developer is free to develop their own applications. these applications can NOT include any ads at all. they can include ads from the developer, where he sells ads and develops his own display system, etc. and keep all the monies generated from those ads for himself. or he can use apple's ad display system, sparing him the work of selling ads and coding them up. if he chooses this option he gets 60% of the revenue generated from those ads, apple keeps 40%.
4. applications with apple's ads can be free apps, or the developer can charge whatever he wants for them.
5. the developer has no control over the content of apple's ads if he uses apple's system.
6. apple's ad system allows you to view the ad including static, video and interactive content (including games) yet return to the original running application at any time. a developer system might not have these features.

kennyc · 04-09-2010, 07:35 PM

I'm talking about Ads on the face of the Moon.

dmaul1114 · 04-09-2010, 07:46 PM

I don't have to much problem with the ads IF (and it's a big IF) it leads to cheaper apps from developers (or more free apps) since they're (and apple) are getting ad revenue on the 60/40 split.

I'll put up with some ads, especially in free aps. I don't want ads in a $10 ap, but in a free app, or a $1-2 app--I can deal with it as long as they aren't too intrusive.

Some apps already have adds. I had some Chase Saphire credit card ads I had to skip to get to articles in the NY Times app when reading it on my g/f's iPad this morning. No biggie as it's just click skip and it's gone, not really more hassle than flipping past a full page add in a print newspaper.

If these ads are no more annoying than that and aren't things like unskippable 30 second video ads etc., I could deal with them in free and cheap apps personally.

Especially for Apps I wouldn't use all that often (just every now in then). I'd prefer a free or very cheap app with ads over a $5 app without ads personally.

But again, that's all on the very big "if", assuming that ads don't become widespread in apps of all price ranges.

Tamara · 04-09-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

And they they even get to keep 60%

You have it backwards. The developer gets 60%.

dmaul1114 · 04-09-2010, 08:02 PM

I think he had it right and was just saying it was a joke that devs only get to keep 60%.

kennyc · 04-09-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamara

You have it backwards. The developer gets 60%.

That's what I said.

Come on, lap it up, it's Apple juice!

sfernald · 04-10-2010, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Thanks for providing "the answer" Jon. But, I think this is more subjective than objective and while that is "the answer" for you... it may not be "the answer" for everybody else.

BOb

I think it's quite funny that guys like jswolf (who I think has dismissed every reader ever released btw) dismiss the iPad so quickly.

Right now, today, it is currently:

1. The best reader to read web pages.

2. The best reader to read technical PDFs.

3. The best reader to read from dusk to dawn or in low light situations.

4. The best reader to read comic books on.

5. The best reader to read color documents.

6. It is also the most versatile reader, supporting two major book stores: iBooks and amazon (and very soon adding B&N).

The above facts are undeniable by anyone who has tried the portable readers currently available (i own all the major ones). It is also better than netbooks and many pcs at the tasks above, and certainly is more portable and has much better battery life than any pc out there.

And yet despite all of the above, naysayers such as jswolf continue to deride it, and the iPad does not even have it's own dedicated forum among the ereaders it has nearly made obsolete on here.

m-reader · 04-10-2010, 05:10 AM

IYHO, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfernald

I think it's quite funny that guys like jswolf (who I think has dismissed every reader ever released btw) dismiss the iPad so quickly.

Right now, today, it is currently:

1. The best reader to read web pages.

2. The best reader to read technical PDFs.

3. The best reader to read from dusk to dawn or in low light situations.

4. The best reader to read comic books on.

5. The best reader to read color documents.

6. It is also the most versatile reader, supporting two major book stores: iBooks and amazon (and very soon adding B&N).

The above facts are undeniable by anyone who has tried the portable readers currently available (i own all the major ones). It is also better than netbooks and many pcs at the tasks above, and certainly is more portable and has much better battery life than any pc out there.

And yet despite all of the above, naysayers such as jswolf continue to deride it, and the iPad does not even have it's own dedicated forum among the ereaders it has nearly made obsolete on here.

kennyc · 04-10-2010, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfernald

I think it's quite funny that guys like jswolf (who I think has dismissed every reader ever released btw) dismiss the iPad so quickly.

Right now, today, it is currently:

1. The best reader to read web pages.

2. The best reader to read technical PDFs.

3. The best reader to read from dusk to dawn or in low light situations.

4. The best reader to read comic books on.

5. The best reader to read color documents.

6. It is also the most versatile reader, supporting two major book stores: iBooks and amazon (and very soon adding B&N).

The above facts are undeniable by anyone who has tried the portable readers currently available (i own all the major ones). It is also better than netbooks and many pcs at the tasks above, and certainly is more portable and has much better battery life than any pc out there.

And yet despite all of the above, naysayers such as jswolf continue to deride it, and the iPad does not even have it's own dedicated forum among the ereaders it has nearly made obsolete on here.

No. The best reader for web pages is a computer (netbook if you want portability) as is true of pdfs as well.

The iPad is virtually unusable outdoors, particularly in bright sunlight.

The iPad has overheading problems.

The best way to read comic books is paper.

Color docs is a toss up, maybe paper, maybe computers, maybe an iPad if you can get it to connect to the internet.

My computer connects to dozens of book stores and all books can be transferred to my Sony and Kindle.

The above are FACTS.

richman · 04-10-2010, 08:04 AM

If the IPAD was 299 I think it would be the Best Ereader for me!

Since it's first generation and just came out , of course, early adopters get to beta test the thing, and so far , except for some wi-fi issues, it seems like a pretty cool device. I did go to Best Buy and handle it.

10 hour battery life with backlight is very cool, my netbook gets 2 hours.

The IPAD has changed the Ereader market, and it will take time to see that on this board. It's one week as of today that this device came out. But the fact that you can read PDF's and other formats without having to change anything makes it easy. And all the apps that have come out and will come out in future from reading standpoint will make this device only better and better.

The price is high as all apple products are when they first come out, but after a few months, the prices will start to fall and by xmas, who knows what it will be.

I might wait for 2nd generation IPAD, I don't know, time will tell.

But I agree with others, IPAD is a kindle killer and every other ereader killer.

Come on, I'm not gonna take this 500 dollar thing to the beach , where sand and other elements could screw it up, like I wouldn't take my netbook or notebook. And in the daylight in bright SUNLIGHT, my Itouch, netbook, phone, are all the same, it's hard to see, I have no problem finding shade.

So anyplace where you have a TV screen on or computer screen or any other type of LCD screen , these will be the "type" places where this IPAD will shine.

I think the IPAD needs it's VERY OWN FORUM ROOM!

akira28 · 04-10-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m-reader

IYHO, right?

Exactly. For me the iPad would be the worst reader because its text is unreadable.

richman · 04-10-2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akira28

Exactly. For me the iPad would be the worst reader because its text is unreadable.

Gee, I'm sorry you can't read the text on a IPAD!

Did you mean to say " I can't read the text in BRIGHT SUNLIGHT" or "the text is so small I can't make out the letters" or "the glare is so bad the IPAD seems like a mirror" or "the backlight hurts my eyes and it's like looking into a LIGHT and I can't see the text".

Can you read the text on your phone/gps/camcorder LCD/camera LCD in the same lighting places. I know I can't see any of the texts on those type devices on a BRIGHT SUMMER DAY. Yes I can see the TEXT on my Sony 505 in BRIGHT summer day but I can't see it in a dark room or at night or lots of other places, like in dark car or in bed. Whereas I could make out the TEXT no problem in those places with the IPAD or the devices I listed above.

How many times did you go reading in the BRIGHT sunny beach last year, I rather surf and get a tan or talk with people than read a book, and if I'm into reading at the beach I bring my MP3 audio books.

But everybody is different , so maybe you can't see the text on the IPAD for some reason you fail to mention, so it's unreadable , but all your other ereaders are readable?

yvanleterrible · 04-10-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by akira28

Exactly. For me the iPad would be the worst reader because its text is unreadable.

Your computer screen is probably worse than the iPad screen yet you read through MR pages just fine don't you? Fonts can be changed. Do you really think a product can have enough evolution time in one week? Just wait for the second gen. My Sony 500 fonts are also crappy and it took quite a while to fix that...

JSWolf · 04-10-2010, 09:05 AM

What I am complaining about it the poor quality of the eBook reading apps. There is not yet one good app (that I know of) to read ePub eBooks. All that have been written about have some major issue so far. And maybe the best one (Kobo) you cannot use content you have on your computer.

>1. The best reader to read web pages.

No flash available. Until most of the flash based sites switch to HTML5, it isn't the best.

>2. The best reader to read technical PDFs.

This I cannot say one way or the other.

>3. The best reader to read from dusk to dawn or in low light situations.

But one of the worst in direct sunlight

>4. The best reader to read comic books on.

Probably

>5. The best reader to read color documents.

Possibly

>6. It is also the most versatile reader, supporting two major book stores: iBooks and amazon (and very soon adding B&N).

iBooks is a so-so app so far. What I'd like is a full ADE that would work better.

scottjl · 04-10-2010, 09:06 AM

you know it's funny people are harping on the overheating issues. a few people complained that if they run their ipad out in the blazing sun that it shuts itself down for protection. i wonder how well their other devices would fare in the same environments? laptops would have fans a blazing and would start to glitch out. ever use an eink display in the blazing sun on a hot day? the display starts to lag and discolor big time.

electronic devices don't like extreme temps. that's a fact. no matter what the device is.

04-10-2010, 08:04 AM	#115
richman Addict Posts: 269 Karma: 58 Join Date: Jul 2009 Device: sony prs-505 BLUE,itouch,netbook	If the IPAD was 299 I think it would be the Best Ereader for me! Since it's first generation and just came out , of course, early adopters get to beta test the thing, and so far , except for some wi-fi issues, it seems like a pretty cool device. I did go to Best Buy and handle it. 10 hour battery life with backlight is very cool, my netbook gets 2 hours. The IPAD has changed the Ereader market, and it will take time to see that on this board. It's one week as of today that this device came out. But the fact that you can read PDF's and other formats without having to change anything makes it easy. And all the apps that have come out and will come out in future from reading standpoint will make this device only better and better. The price is high as all apple products are when they first come out, but after a few months, the prices will start to fall and by xmas, who knows what it will be. I might wait for 2nd generation IPAD, I don't know, time will tell. But I agree with others, IPAD is a kindle killer and every other ereader killer. Come on, I'm not gonna take this 500 dollar thing to the beach , where sand and other elements could screw it up, like I wouldn't take my netbook or notebook. And in the daylight in bright SUNLIGHT, my Itouch, netbook, phone, are all the same, it's hard to see, I have no problem finding shade. So anyplace where you have a TV screen on or computer screen or any other type of LCD screen , these will be the "type" places where this IPAD will shine. I think the IPAD needs it's VERY OWN FORUM ROOM! Last edited by richman; 04-10-2010 at 08:16 AM.

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04-09-2010, 07:25 PM	#106
scottjl Reader of Books Posts: 1,632 Karma: 2697 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: none	ok. i'm not sure what article you're referring to. but if you watch the keynote address here are the facts: 1. apple will sell the ads (do the work finding companies wanting to advertise) and the work producing the ads. neither the company doing the advertising nor the application developer has to do any production work. 2. all ads are developed in html 5, no flash 3. an app developer is free to develop their own applications. these applications can NOT include any ads at all. they can include ads from the developer, where he sells ads and develops his own display system, etc. and keep all the monies generated from those ads for himself. or he can use apple's ad display system, sparing him the work of selling ads and coding them up. if he chooses this option he gets 60% of the revenue generated from those ads, apple keeps 40%. 4. applications with apple's ads can be free apps, or the developer can charge whatever he wants for them. 5. the developer has no control over the content of apple's ads if he uses apple's system. 6. apple's ad system allows you to view the ad including static, video and interactive content (including games) yet return to the original running application at any time. a developer system might not have these features.

04-09-2010, 07:35 PM	#107
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,904 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	I'm talking about Ads on the face of the Moon.

04-09-2010, 07:46 PM	#108
dmaul1114 Wizard Posts: 2,300 Karma: 1121709 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle 1	I don't have to much problem with the ads IF (and it's a big IF) it leads to cheaper apps from developers (or more free apps) since they're (and apple) are getting ad revenue on the 60/40 split. I'll put up with some ads, especially in free aps. I don't want ads in a $10 ap, but in a free app, or a $1-2 app--I can deal with it as long as they aren't too intrusive. Some apps already have adds. I had some Chase Saphire credit card ads I had to skip to get to articles in the NY Times app when reading it on my g/f's iPad this morning. No biggie as it's just click skip and it's gone, not really more hassle than flipping past a full page add in a print newspaper. If these ads are no more annoying than that and aren't things like unskippable 30 second video ads etc., I could deal with them in free and cheap apps personally. Especially for Apps I wouldn't use all that often (just every now in then). I'd prefer a free or very cheap app with ads over a $5 app without ads personally. But again, that's all on the very big "if", assuming that ads don't become widespread in apps of all price ranges.

04-09-2010, 08:02 PM	#110
dmaul1114 Wizard Posts: 2,300 Karma: 1121709 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle 1	I think he had it right and was just saying it was a joke that devs only get to keep 60%.

04-10-2010, 09:05 AM	#119
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,796 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	What I am complaining about it the poor quality of the eBook reading apps. There is not yet one good app (that I know of) to read ePub eBooks. All that have been written about have some major issue so far. And maybe the best one (Kobo) you cannot use content you have on your computer. >1. The best reader to read web pages. No flash available. Until most of the flash based sites switch to HTML5, it isn't the best. >2. The best reader to read technical PDFs. This I cannot say one way or the other. >3. The best reader to read from dusk to dawn or in low light situations. But one of the worst in direct sunlight >4. The best reader to read comic books on. Probably >5. The best reader to read color documents. Possibly >6. It is also the most versatile reader, supporting two major book stores: iBooks and amazon (and very soon adding B&N). iBooks is a so-so app so far. What I'd like is a full ADE that would work better.

04-10-2010, 09:06 AM	#120
scottjl Reader of Books Posts: 1,632 Karma: 2697 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: none	you know it's funny people are harping on the overheating issues. a few people complained that if they run their ipad out in the blazing sun that it shuts itself down for protection. i wonder how well their other devices would fare in the same environments? laptops would have fans a blazing and would start to glitch out. ever use an eink display in the blazing sun on a hot day? the display starts to lag and discolor big time. electronic devices don't like extreme temps. that's a fact. no matter what the device is.

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