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I want to put together a nice rant about one of the big problems with ebooks--no convenient way to give one to a friend when you're done--and it'd help to have *any* confirmation that publishers know very well that 1purchase=1reader has never been the expected norm. |
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What you are talking about is particular to the ability to make a backup copy of an electronic file which is fairly new in the grand scheme of things and it not covered specifically by copyright but rather a court ruling in the USA and is not a universal right but depends on where you live in the world. Copyright on the other hand is a pretty much recognized legal right throughout the civilized world although the interpretation and length of protection differs from country to country. Dale |
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Second, much of the difference of opinion stems from a conflict in the law. Copyright law (interpreted by court cases) generally allows you to 'media-shift' a copy you own, for your own use-not for distribution. But the DMCA declares that it's illegal to circumvent copy-protection such as DRM, which makes it illegal to do something that copyright law says it's legal to do. Conflict-which law takes precedence? As far as I know, that question has yet to be answered by the court system, so again, different people have different opinions. (I will note that other parts of the DMCA have been ruled unconstitutional however.) So, does that answer your question about why it's both legal & illegal to make a copy, whether your distribute it or not? |
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Regarding geographical issues,
Authors assign geographic rights to publishers. A publisher with, say, North American rights, has paid for those rights. If a publisher selling out of, say, India with India-only rights were to sell in the US, he'd essentially be selling something he didn't own. In contrast, if a corporation goes to Mexico and hires Mexican workers, he's buying something that the sellers legally own. As consumers, of course, we are free to look for that 'made in the USA' label. It isn't the same, however, when it comes to rights-based sales. Rob Preece BooksForABuck.com |
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These days I'm not sure that kind of contract makes sense. The books sold in the US are usually printed in China or India anyway, and people from all over the world can discover and purchase books online. Perhaps authors (or agents) ought to be thinking about selling electronic rights only as a worldwide block.
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"A publisher with, say, North American rights, has paid for those rights. If a publisher selling out of, say, India with India-only rights were to sell in the US, he'd essentially be selling something he didn't own."
Yet, I can travel and buy a book where the publisher has no rights to sell in my home country. Why is it OK when I travel physically, and not via the Internet? The Industry is trying to force fit an archaic model. And in doing so, making customers angry and foregoing sales. It is STUPID. If the industry still wants to partition the marketplace, then LANGUAGE is the most appropriate delineation. And even then, I think it is a mistake. |
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It's to protect jobs for resellers et al in the respective countries/regions. If there were no geographic restrictions then ebook sellers in countries where it is expensive to do business would go out of business from competition by those in other countries where the cost of business is less.
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All this is blather....there is no justification for theft of a literary work, whether it is the failure to return a book to the library, or walking out of the store with a book under your coat.
On the other hand, claiming 9,000,000 or some equally absurd or uncheckable number of ebooks being pirated as a denial of income to authors or publishers is equally absurd. These hardworking folks gain no further compensation when I buy a used book or borrow a book from a friend or library. It's just that ebooks are easier to lend or recirculate. That's no less progress than the printing press allowing multi copies of "rare" or "sacred" texts done by monks on scrolls. |
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What I'm asking is in what law does it state that it is illegal for me to download or read a copyrighted work that I haven't purchased. People do it all the time by loaning books or watching other peoples DVD's. I understand that it illegal to distribute copyrighted works, but in the act of downloading a book from a file share or whatever, what law am I breaking. Even if you break it down on a purely physical level. The distributor is sending me the bytes and I am saving them. At no point am I 'cloning' the file. As far as I know, the only prosecutions have been targeted at people who made files available for download, not the actual consumer side of the equation. In fact, I've had the publisher give away non-drm'd copies of books such as Elantris with no prohibition on distribution, yet the book is still under copyright and I have no 'receipt'.
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This reminds me of Eric Flints writings on how the biggest threat to authors isn't piracy, it's obscurity.
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"If there were no geographic restrictions then ebook sellers in countries where it is expensive to do business would go out of business from competition by those in other countries where the cost of business is less."
That would be OK if we had 1) Protected the jobs of the textile industry 2) Protected the jobs of the manufacturing industry 3) Protected the jobs of the Call Center industry 4) Protected the jobs of the software industry But, of course we did not. And I am certain I missed a number of jobs that big business off shored to save wages, taxes, and regulations. Should the eBook industry be special? If business actively plays the global market, why can't customers? |
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Yeah Eric Flint has a pretty unique look on it. He definitely has a forward thinking view. And why not. To just continue like its not going on or to rage against it isn't going to change anything (look at the RIAA they are worse off than than before). These publishers and authors have to compete with it (they do it now) so why not change the game.
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Here in Australia the term "WAG" refers to "Wives And Girlfriends". So when I read your post for the first time I thought you meant the figured originated from some wife or girlfriend of a publisher! ![]() Cheers, PKFFW |
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That is one argument against piracy I just can't get behind. If I steal your car, you are deprived of the use of it. If I copy your ebook, you still have it, still can sell it, still can do what ever you want with it, you just did not make any money off me.
The other question is, of each pirated copy of something, would that have been a sale otherwise? |
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