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As I said, we know what Amazon was selling eBooks for when they didn't have agency. |
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So, there is no proof of your claim:
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Yes. We do know. And it was at or below cover price. So how does agency restrain Amazon's ebook pricing? |
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Sigh. It was basically the same price as what the publishers charge under agency. The only difference was a handful of bestsellers they sold for $10. We have gone through this many times. I get bored having to re-present evidence every couple of years because it disappears down the memory hole. The publishers compete with each other, that is why the ebook is way, way below the cover price and is typically below the dead tree price (which doesn't use agency).
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Here in the US wages are relatively high and in some Asian countries they were very low so companies shut down plants here and moved them there. American workers were hurt by this but not greatly, at least most of the time. We have an economy that can deal with this. Asians, on the other hand, were put to work, often for long hours and too little pay, kind of like what happened in the USA a century or two ago. And like us, the workers negotiate and wages go up and the standard of living goes up, which means people want more and local economies improve there and they start looking more and more like us. Most still have a way to go. Some Asian countries are now pretty strong. I hope you see this before you leave for Texas. And I hope you enjoy your trip. I lived there about 65 years. It's a great place. Barry |
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I'll let it go after this. You aren't the only one that gets bored.
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But there's no proof that agency actually kept ebook prices low or restrained Amazon in any way. |
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Since you are arguing against a strawman, I will restate what I was saying. Agency pricing is about allowing the publishers to set the prices. It is about letting the publishers find the point on the cost curve where they get the biggest profit. That is it. |
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That was initiated as a cartel, and that is what cartels do, keep prices high. We had this in the UK with the net book price agreement, where publishers required book stores to sell paper books at fixed prices. When the agreement was ruled to be illegal, prices fell, which should surprise no-one. |
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Publishers can set their book prices at what they want. They can also force book stores to sell at those prices. They can not conspire with other publishers to do so.
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It comes down to contract law. However, the US does have what's known as first sale doctrine which means that they can't set the price in secondary stores such as book discounters or used book stores.
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I've lived here for a while. It's probably where I'll end up because I want to be near my kids and grandkids. But, if I had my rathers (and my children near), I would live somewhere a little cooler, like Idaho or even Montana (where I lived when I was a kid). |
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Some of those Asian countries have gone from impoverished to developing status and have become important trading partners for us. We got hurt a little. We handled it. The world was better in the long run because of it. Quote:
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Wow! This topic sure went down the rabbit hole.
Oh well, I like my Nook very much and I hope the Nook survives. But I will adjust to whatever the future holds in ebooks. |
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
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