Screwed by Tor again... - Page 8

Taylor514ce · 08-21-2008, 11:08 AM

Geeky girls with glasses. It's kind of a "thing" with me. <shrug>

@acidzebra: That's ok. I learned long ago that the world doesn't always agree with me. I'll just restate that it wasn't the "getting free stuff" per se that caused the issue, but I've already posted about that at length.

Now, back to the topic that really interests me now: think Torie will go out with me? At least I've got a good opening conversational gambit now.

TheLongshot · 08-21-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by slayda

I wonder if some (maybe many) of the people who work for Tor believed there was a "target date" and the freebies were planned based on that belief. When Tor Publishing missed that date and refused to provide any other information (in order to not again raise false hopes) the "believers" were embarrassed and when we asked (perhaps somewhat belligerently) when we could buy ebooks, they took out their frustration on us.

My reason for suggesting this is, after more than 30 years of marriage, I had an epiphany about arguments - I told my wife that the times I got most angry with her was when I knew that I was wrong.

If the people at Tor.com really meant to have ebooks available at the end of their giveaway, they may have been in a similar state. They were wrong, got caught being wrong, were embarrassed and instead of admitting they made a mistake, became angry with us. As we kept on (being logical) with our questions/requests, they became more angry & things snow balled from there.

Honestly, there is no evidence that I can see from out here that anyone within TOR thought that they were going to sell E-Books. It was a promotion for this web site and they decided to give away freebies like E-Books and wallpaper to promote it. It isn't any more complicated than that.

It isn't like TOR is the first publisher that put the occasional book in electronic format, but really wasn't intending on selling books in that format. When I go to conventions, I find small publishers all the time who either put samples or maybe even one complete book on CD to hand out to people to try their stuff. They do it because it is cheap to do things that way, but they want you to buy their p-books.

As for the whole Amazon thing, I think that's just Amazon trying to make some deals for their reader, probably not much different from the Baen deal. The difference there is that Amazon's stuff has DRM. I doubt that TOR has much to do with that deal beyond just making their materiel available to Amazon.

Which makes me wonder if the reason for the delay is to try to argue for non-DRM books. Certainly if they intend to release stuff through Baen they would have to go that direction. I could see that complicating things for a big publisher like TOR, tho.

Jason

GeoffC · 08-21-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by slayda

My reason for suggesting this is, after more than 30 years of marriage, I had an epiphany about arguments - I told my wife that the times I got most angry with her was when I knew that I was wrong.

Oh joys, i feel epiphaniated too........

Sorry, back to topic in hand....

JSWolf · 08-21-2008, 12:14 PM

I did get a replay and it was not dismissed as being antagonistic. I'm hoping what Torie said is true. If so, we very well might be getting Tor eBooks by 2009.

GeoffC · 08-21-2008, 12:14 PM

OH GAH,

TOR.COM advertising e-mail just flew into my in-box....

Cthulhu · 08-21-2008, 12:39 PM

@ Taylor:

How often do you get to NYC? Now that the interweb has allowed the geeks to unite, the nerdgirls are more aware of their own value. You might need to approach the subject carefully.
If you really did get her angry, you might have an "in" there.

Good luck you macro-cephallic wierdo.

zelda_pinwheel · 08-21-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

@ Taylor:

How often do you get to NYC? Now that the interweb has allowed the geeks to unite, the nerdgirls are more aware of their own value. You might need to approach the subject carefully.
If you really did get her angry, you might have an "in" there.

Good luck you macro-cephallic wierdo.

taylor, i think you should change your title to "macro-cephalic weirdo".

Taylor514ce · 08-21-2008, 12:49 PM

NYC? Fairly often... every few months at least. "So you're saying there's a chance!"

Queen, your wish is my command.

pshrynk · 08-21-2008, 12:51 PM

Just as a contre-point: I went to the tor site to see what all the hubbub was about. It was actually sort of refreshing that a corporate entitiy was willing to give the message of "We're working on it! Go away, boy, you bother me!"

Obviously annoying to some, especially the targets, but hear me out. When was the last time anyone was willing to be that honest with you to say that they were aware and that they were irked with being asked so many times?

(I could only find Nate's thread in the limited time I had, so I did not find Taylor's) I guess I'd call it refreshingly annoying.

I have no idea if they'll sell books that way, but it was good for a good chuckle, at least.

GeoffC · 08-21-2008, 01:15 PM

a good chuckle....nay lad 't'was a giggle....as DixieGal has been told to do....

DixieGal · 08-21-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

a good chuckle....nay lad 't'was a giggle....as DixieGal has been told to do....

Aye, that Geoffc, always looking after me Lucky Charms!

rhadin · 08-21-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by acidzebra

Well, I am still a little puzzled at why people are upset over getting free stuff, even if that stuff was part of a series of more stuff which is currently not available in e-format. . . . .

I don't think people are upset about getting the free ebooks; I'm certainly not. I think what most people are upset about is that they were given a tease without being told they were being teased. I would still have read the books, but had I known that they were only a tease, I would have put them at the bottom of the pile, waiting for the sequels to become available. I, for one, like to read complete series of books that I like but I buy either (sometimes both) ebook or hardcover versions, the latter only when it is an author I want to keep in my permanent collection.

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Originally Posted by acidzebra

I'm a little puzzled at the (IMO false) sense of entitlement I got from some of the posts.

Again, I think the sense isn't one of entitlement -- we all realize that we are not entitled to have the sequels or any book available in ebook form. Rather it is frustration with how Tor went about it and continues to address the matter. Tor simply refuses to give any information other than "eventually". Eventually is simply too nebulous a time frame to wrap one's hopes around.

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Originally Posted by acidzebra

I'm a little puzzled why so many people seemed to think tor.com would be an ebook outlet of some kind.

I am not puzzled about it. That is what I expected. To me there would be no other purpose for giving away a free ebook weekly in hopes that I would then visit the forthcoming Tor.com. Had I been told upfront that the website was going to be a blog site, have no ebooks for sale, and that the ebooks being given away were going to be all the ebooks Tor would have for quite sometime, I would have immediately known that Tor.com wasn't for me. I am not the least bit interested in short stories or blogs. But by not telling me that and by giving me the weekly ebook, I thought I was going to have another place to buy SF/F books (full-length novels) published by Tor authors.

acidzebra · 08-21-2008, 02:25 PM

I guess it is just a matter of differing perspectives and expectations. Personally, I do enjoy a little tease, the short stories and blogs, and the free books were a nice bonus.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your feelings on the matter.

slayda · 08-21-2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor514ce

Geeky girls with glasses. It's kind of a "thing" with me. <shrug>

@acidzebra: That's ok. I learned long ago that the world doesn't always agree with me. I'll just restate that it wasn't the "getting free stuff" per se that caused the issue, but I've already posted about that at length.

Now, back to the topic that really interests me now: think Torie will go out with me? At least I've got a good opening conversational gambit now.

Maybe, but if she does, I would not take her to see the movie, "Tora, Tora, Tora" just to be on the safe side.

Barcey · 08-21-2008, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor514ce

Geeky girls with glasses. It's kind of a "thing" with me. <shrug>

@acidzebra: That's ok. I learned long ago that the world doesn't always agree with me. I'll just restate that it wasn't the "getting free stuff" per se that caused the issue, but I've already posted about that at length.

Now, back to the topic that really interests me now: think Torie will go out with me? At least I've got a good opening conversational gambit now.

You can't fool me. You're just trying to make a video to go along with the thread title.

Personally I think that evilrooster has a thing for Nate. Seems to be trying to get a rise out of him.

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08-21-2008, 11:08 AM	#106
Taylor514ce Actively passive. Posts: 2,042 Karma: 478376 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: US Device: Sony PRS-505/LC	Geeky girls with glasses. It's kind of a "thing" with me. <shrug> @acidzebra: That's ok. I learned long ago that the world doesn't always agree with me. I'll just restate that it wasn't the "getting free stuff" per se that caused the issue, but I've already posted about that at length. Now, back to the topic that really interests me now: think Torie will go out with me? At least I've got a good opening conversational gambit now.

08-21-2008, 12:14 PM	#109
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,795 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I did get a replay and it was not dismissed as being antagonistic. I'm hoping what Torie said is true. If so, we very well might be getting Tor eBooks by 2009.

08-21-2008, 12:14 PM	#110
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	OH GAH, TOR.COM advertising e-mail just flew into my in-box....

08-21-2008, 12:39 PM	#111
Cthulhu Technologist Posts: 488 Karma: 585237 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I'm between Cities Device: SONY Reader PRS-500	@ Taylor: How often do you get to NYC? Now that the interweb has allowed the geeks to unite, the nerdgirls are more aware of their own value. You might need to approach the subject carefully. If you really did get her angry, you might have an "in" there. Good luck you macro-cephallic wierdo.

08-21-2008, 12:49 PM	#113
Taylor514ce Actively passive. Posts: 2,042 Karma: 478376 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: US Device: Sony PRS-505/LC	NYC? Fairly often... every few months at least. "So you're saying there's a chance!" Queen, your wish is my command.

08-21-2008, 12:51 PM	#114
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	Just as a contre-point: I went to the tor site to see what all the hubbub was about. It was actually sort of refreshing that a corporate entitiy was willing to give the message of "We're working on it! Go away, boy, you bother me!" Obviously annoying to some, especially the targets, but hear me out. When was the last time anyone was willing to be that honest with you to say that they were aware and that they were irked with being asked so many times? (I could only find Nate's thread in the limited time I had, so I did not find Taylor's) I guess I'd call it refreshingly annoying. I have no idea if they'll sell books that way, but it was good for a good chuckle, at least.

08-21-2008, 01:15 PM	#115
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	a good chuckle....nay lad 't'was a giggle....as DixieGal has been told to do....

08-21-2008, 02:25 PM	#118
acidzebra Liseuse Lover Posts: 869 Karma: 1035404 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Netherlands Device: PRS-505	I guess it is just a matter of differing perspectives and expectations. Personally, I do enjoy a little tease, the short stories and blogs, and the free books were a nice bonus. Thanks for taking the time to explain your feelings on the matter.

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