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However, I did think one aspect, the game world created, was pretty stupid and there was a mass of "found material" in the latter part of the novel that also seemed a bit silly to me. Overall, I enjoyed it regardless of my complaints. |
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I tried to read everything nominated and most was crap. Mediocrity is to high. But even mediocre works does not deserve to win. I even put No Award before the non-puppy upside-down-story.
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Really. Care to backup that with some arguments. I have the last maybe 7 years read all nominated novels and shorter work and to me they seem relevant. Very few very good books are missed.
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One thing this mess has encouraged me to do - take out a supporting membership for next year's worldcon. Next year I'll nominate and vote!
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I am pretty sure it is clear what it is in nearly all the books you read. You just miss anybody mention it if it is what you expect.
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You don't have to rely solely on the brand of a publisher, you can rely on a youtuber critic, or goodread reviews, or you can even buy completely randomly etc... All in all, I think it's a good thing. But I really don't see "white straight male" banging up together to fight back in the name of racism and homophobia against diversity of books. That's conspirationist / boogeyman. To begin with, it is in our nature to be slightly "racist". Racist bias is a thing, even amongst (probably particulary amongst, in the same vein some unavowed homosexual politicians shout the harshest against gays) people who shout hard against racism. But for most people, it is a bias whose influence is really tiny compared to other types of bias we can have, like religion, ideology, and especially class (your socio economic status). I don't think a typical wealthy publisher who happens to be "white straight male", even a racist one, would fight very hard against taking the money of non-white people more efficiently. I'm not seeing white upperclassmen business owner not delocalizing their business to third world and giving the finger to their lowerclass fellow whities. Which is why I don't care much if people don't read books because there are white straight males in it. I don't want to lose my time arguing morally, or rationally, because I don't even know the preponderance of their visceral feelings. I myself have my own biases, and I think that diversity means that the market should be left free to satisfy the kinks of everyone. I am a straight male, I like boobies in movies, and I don't like seeing dicks. My tastes are inherently sexists, there's no need to rationalize it, or make it a moral battleground. There is no need to fight against "white straight male" book out of revenge ("to balance what happened in the past"), no need to fight for, no need to have diversity in every books. Should we bash asian sci-fi books because they have only asian protagonists? Asian sci-fi movies? You can see many pictures of a black Jesus in Africa. When you follow the tastes of a friend, or a personality, you check if their tastes match yours, and if they do you can better trust their future recommendations, for future pleasure. When you follow popularity indicator (like sale number), you can compare your own taste versus popular tastes, and you see if they match. Same goes with specific aggregate, which we name "cliques". What's important is the usefulness and reliability of your trust in those indicators (your friend's opinion, a popular poll, a clique opinion). For a clique to be useful, it has to be straightforward. A clique that advertises itself as all inclusive but isn't is not straightforward. |
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You would think that the Puppies would at least nominate the best of the type of SF they like, but some of their nominations were dreadful. Take the John C. Wright stuff. I've read some of his novels that were pretty good, but his nominated works were surprisingly bad.
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With respect, I think you're missing the point. The Hugo is supposed to recognize great science-fiction writing. That is not what Sad Puppy (or whatever their name is) is doing. They are more concerned with pushing a political / ideological agenda than they are with good science-fiction writing.
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I'm eager to read the newly released translation of the sequel The Dark Forest. Oh and if you ask me very nicely I'll post a photo of my copy of The Three Body Problem autographed by both the author and the translator. |
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While the sad puppies nominated Wright twice (presumably because they like his messages), the main reason why he had so many nominations was because his friend and publisher, Ted Beale, had loaded the rabid puppy slate with stuff he published, including 6 works by Wright, and then encouraged his fans to stick it to the SJWs by getting supporting memberships and voting his slate.
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clearly a case of dog lick dog....
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I'd call the puppy thing a great success, not because of the slate, not because of trying to include more mainstream (or whatever term you want to apply) books, but for the simple yardstick that more people voted this year than ever before, it's meant to be a popular award and was in danger of becoming very self-referential and irrelevant to the sci-fi reading public. Now most people know that they can vote if they want, the more people voting the less chance it can get derailed by any small interest group (sad, mad rabid, sjw or whatever), hell if the romance crowd took an interest there is nothing stopping historical-chick-lit completely sweeping the board with the amount of people voting now.
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