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Fair use/dealing exceptions are still violations of copyright but they are violations that are *explicitly* sanctioned by the same society that grants the copyright in the first place. What the folks with the big guns grant they can take away at will. ![]() Convince enough of the right politicians that you are entitled to your neighbor's property and they can evict them (and will) and turn the plot (or whatever) over to you. No absolutes when it comes to rights. Everything is subject to change. Last edited by fjtorres; 02-24-2015 at 02:57 PM. |
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So for the case of the likes of ebooks, which everyone seems to have difficulty describing in some substantive way I suggest that for most that regarding them as being tangible, whether that is metaphorically or not, is an entirely reasonable usage and I agree with Murg's usage. Of course, it may be that as Murg and myself live in the far flung reaches of the British Empire our understanding of the English language is still severely limited. Alternatively it may be that our remoteness from the apron strings means we are more inclined to move with the times and are more accepting of changes of usage to suit the new situations that progress brings upon us: a quality we and our American cousins share with the OED, at least with respect to spelling. Anyway, I am away sailing for a month or so, so have far more interesting things to pursue than denouncing the blinkering of thought and expression brought about by the purely literal (and which is straying off topic), so will leave it at that. Last edited by AnotherCat; 02-24-2015 at 03:10 PM. |
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The right to copy (for personal use) is implicit in the sale of digital goods, because they can't be used without copying them. Therefore format shifting (again for personal use) can be legal (and, indeed, is explicitly made legal in UK copyright law).
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I don't think it's even illegal. One is allowed to rip CDs for personal use. One is allowed to loan CDs to friends. I don't think there's anything in law that says one is not allowed to do both with the same CD. I'm not quite sure I see why even you think it's wrong. |
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It's perfectly true that it's fine to rip a CD to iTunes, and it's perfectly true that it's fine to lend someone a CD, but put the two actions together and you've infringed copyright by lending someone the CD while simultaneously retaining a copy of it yourself. Last edited by HarryT; 02-24-2015 at 04:11 PM. |
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This, according to your other posts, is a bad thing. By imposing DRM, the publisher is very clearly only 'selling' you a version to operate inside of that DRM universe. By breaking the DRM and producing another different copy of the book (at this point, you have two copies of the book), you have clearly gone against the ability of the publisher to control the copying of the book. This, according to your other posts, is a bad thing. |
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Once you download an eBook you've just made another copy. And unless you move that copy to your Reader, you've just made another copy.
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Remember how copywrite works: the owner of the IP authorizes certain things and not others. The actual mechanics don't matter, authorization is what matters. Think of the many kinds of licensing that allow and even encourage copying or even redistribution (GPL, CC, etc). It all comes down to what the owner/controller chooses to allow and when/where/how. And whether anybody cares to respect that. Purely optional on both sides. Last edited by fjtorres; 02-24-2015 at 08:35 PM. |
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In what way would that be more harmful to the author than when I borrow a printed book from a library, lend it to a friend, buy a used copy, or inherit a book from my parents? In each of these cases, neither the author nor the publisher sees any money, but to my knowledge no one has ever considered any of this to be dishonest? Books have always had more readers than they had buyers, and haven't we all been encouraged, in the pre-digital age, to read books, without having been warned not ever to read any books we haven't personally bought? Only with ebooks the vendors had the glorious idea of selling non-transferable personal "reading rights" to individual readers, for about the same price as the printed book -- a very good idea from their POV, particularly since their costs per additional licence sold are approximately zero. But if sharing a book with a friend is harmful to the author and thus (as you've said in a different post) dishonest, then buying a printed book, where this can be freely done, would inherently be less honest than buying a DRM'd ebook?
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Fundamentally, copyright is basically about who has the right to make money on copyrighted material. Who has the right to sell copies of that material. Sometimes people who discuss copyright get caught up in the mechanics of making copies or preventing copies from being made, when that isn't really the point of copyright. It's all about who has the right to make money selling copies of a specific work. |
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![]() From economic view point, copyright is a necessary evil. It is evil because copyright is nothing more than a scheme to create monopoly (albeit a legal one). It is necessary because without it a would-be creator of copyrighted work would have no incentive to create the said work. Economists always feel uncomfortable towards copyright, but are not yet bright enough to come up with a workable alternative. Last edited by itisbomb; 02-25-2015 at 07:55 AM. |
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Actually, this is not exactly true. There is, for instance, no "copyright" where I live (Austria), nor in Germany. We have "Urheberrecht" instead ("authors' rights"), but the difference between these concepts would have to be explained by someone more versed in legal matters than me -- there is a difference, though.
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![]() For instance, in the Red Zone, the patents have been issued, the inventor received a gratification plus either a lump sum (only if the invention was put into practice) or some monthly bonus based on the "calculated benefits", for a certain period of time. the invention thus belonged to "the people". Theoretically a better system, as the current one, in particular because the "normal" one is abused a lot, and because an invention should serve the community, as in the tribal age of the mankind. Quote:
To be more clear. The author writes a book. Its content falls under the copyright concept and law. He is protected for the duration of his life plus 70 to 95 years for the content of the book. But someone else, the editor/publisher, prints the book (under the permission of the author, of course, or they will have infringed themselves the copyright). This editor enjoys now the Ancillary rights, which have been raised recently from 50 years since the first public demonstration (or "last word written" date for unpublished works) to 95 IIRC (to keep Mickey Mouse still under copyright). Someone publishing the same book will infringe both the author and editor's rights, but if he rewrite himself the book only the author's right. This is why editors always try to get the exclusivity clause from the author, simply by enrolling them under contracts. Because one cannot write in a dead state ![]() ![]() ![]() Hope it's (more) clear now ![]() |
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One has a copy of a book. One borrows a copy of a book. One downloads a copy of a book. One makes a copy of a book. Even if we are talking about printed ![]() ![]() Because (read above a bit about copyrights and stuff) what everyone else but the author has is a copy, only the author has the original. |
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