Sick of Amazon Kindle books without Page Numbers...

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

IIRC: MLA was English and APA was psychology.
Also I do believe their was a unique way that you had to reference the internet. You couldn't just copy and paste the reference into a word document.

If you look up the appropriate referencing guide (eg MLA, Harvard) it'll show you how to reference any number of different sources: books, journal articles, web sites, TV programmes, CDs, DVDs, etc etc etc. Each one has its own specific method of citing a reference. For books, though, it always involves a page number (or numbers), to return to the original topic.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by HarryT

If you look up the appropriate referencing guide (eg MLA, Harvard) it'll show you how to reference any number of different sources: books, journal articles, web sites, TV programmes, CDs, DVDs, etc etc etc. Each one has its own specific method of citing a reference. For books, though, it always involves a page number (or numbers), to return to the original topic.

HarryT,
I haven't done any referencing since 2001.
Thanks for that link though. It could help my mom with her University work. She is going for her bachelor's in Environmental Science. She is a junior senior this year and next year she will be a double senior.
Yes, the youngsters she goes to school with thinks that is very cool. She turned 68 in December.

[ApK]

Just found this in a guide to Harvard citations:

Note that:
Ebook readers have different standards for presenting page locations, and
page numbering can vary depending on the type of reader and the settings
you are using. Instead, you should use section numbers (or, if these are not
available, section titles) to indicate the location of any quotations:

http://www.open.ac.uk/libraryservice...tation_hlp.pdf

So someone is using my option #2. I like it.

[HarryT]

[eschwartz]

@ApK,

Yes, surprisingly enough it seems academia has caught up with the times.
Don't tell the students though -- they've come here once or twice, I think, and it always came as a shock to them.

IIRC the MLA calls out the Kindle for having page numbers and suggests you use them if available. No such luck for EPUB owners, they have no choice but to get with the times.

[tomsem]

If the 'Open Annotation in EPUB' draft proposal ever gets approved and implemented, it could help (at least for ePub):

http://www.idpf.org/epub/oa/

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Actually, JSWolf seems to be fairly convinced for inexplicable reasons that page numbers have a second use. Probably "figuring out how far in the book you have read so far".
In fact, he is so convinced that he is even trying to make other people agree that it is the best way. Or maybe just an awesome, amazing, wonderful way that is worthy of drowning out anyone trying to mention something else which is pretty much the same thing.

So... not just academic citations and misc. references I guess. At least according to JSWolf.

Percentages are useless. 50% of a book with 100,000 words is different than 50% of a book with 60,000 words. Doesn't tell you how much is left is a way that you'd know. The ADE page numbers do this once you get used to them. I know they are not there to simulate pBook page numbers. They are there to let you know how far in you are and how much left you have.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Percentages are useless. 50% of a book with 100,000 words is different than 50% of a book with 60,000 words. Doesn't tell you how much is left is a way that you'd know. The ADE page numbers do this once you get used to them. I know they are not there to simulate pBook page numbers. They are there to let you know how far in you are and how much left you have.

Well now,
I would assume that by the time one reached 50%, they would know how long it took them to get there and therefore approximately how much longer it will take to finish it.
So word count really doesn't matter.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Percentages are useless. 50% of a book with 100,000 words is different than 50% of a book with 60,000 words. Doesn't tell you how much is left is a way that you'd know.

Nonsense. You know how long it's taken you to read the book that far, so if it tells you you're 50% of the way through, you've got the same again to go to finish the book.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Percentages are useless. 50% of a book with 100,000 words is different than 50% of a book with 60,000 words. Doesn't tell you how much is left is a way that you'd know. The ADE page numbers do this once you get used to them. I know they are not there to simulate pBook page numbers. They are there to let you know how far in you are and how much left you have.

Who said anything about percentages?

Seriously, quit with the strawman arguments.

[issybird]

The biggest problem with percentages is if you read nonfiction. The back matter is included even though notes and indices won't be read through. I'd rather calculate my own percentage; with ADE, I look to see on what page the notes start and do the arithmetic as I read.

But I have to say, that at 50% I'll have no idea how long it took me to get to that point. However, it's easy for me to relate my reading speed to ADE pages.

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by issybird

The biggest problem with percentages is if you read nonfiction. The back matter is included even though notes and indices won't be read through. I'd rather calculate my own percentage; with ADE, I look to see on what page the notes start and do the arithmetic as I read.

But I have to say, that at 50% I'll have no idea how long it took me to get to that point. However, it's easy for me to relate my reading speed to ADE pages.

Me too, exactly the same .

But I do concede that some like to have produced for them or keep themselves records of all sorts of their reading statistics such as recording in detail the length of their reading sessions, percentages, etc. and all power to them if that is what they want to do. But I am afraid (am actually pleased) that I am more interested in the reading than the evisceration and spreading of the guts of my reading habits for self analysis; I suspect that most readers are the same.

[Cinisajoy]

I just thought of a book that starts at page 145.
It is either Tim Allen's "Don't stand too close to a naked man" or Paul Reiser's "Couplehood".

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I just thought of a book that starts at page 145.
It is either Tim Allen's "Don't stand too close to a naked man" or Paul Reiser's "Couplehood".

They do that so that you can read big books much faster .

Like, if there are 900 more pages after the initial 145 and it took you 10 seconds to read those 145 pages with nothing on them, or to work out that they do not exist at all, then at ones carefully recorded rate of reading the book so far one knows that it will take only 10/145 seconds for each of the remaining pages, so a little over a minute to read the remaining 900 pages.

Of course those who like percentages instead of page numbers will be flying completely blindly into the mists of reader time travel.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by AnotherCat

They do that so that you can read big books much faster .

Like, if there are 900 more pages after the initial 145 and it took you 10 seconds to read those 145 pages with nothing on them, or to work out that they do not exist at all, then at ones carefully recorded rate of reading the book so far one knows that it will take only 10/145 seconds for each of the remaining pages, so a little over a minute to read the remaining 900 pages.

Of course those who like percentages instead of page numbers will be flying completely blindly into the mists of reader time travel.

You misunderstood.
He literally put page number 145 on page 1. There was only the title and copyright pages before that. The book was less than 200 actual pages.