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Old 09-15-2015, 11:07 AM   #1126
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Haben wir in MR Hebels Schatzkästlein des rheinischen Hausfreundes?
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:13 AM   #1127
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Haben wir in MR Hebels Schatzkästlein des rheinischen Hausfreundes?
Nein. Aber Du kannst Dir eine fertige ePub-Datei von Wikisource herunterladen.

Bei MR gibt es außerdem noch vom selben Autor die Kalendergeschichten.
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Nein. Aber Du kannst Dir eine fertige ePub-Datei von Wikisource herunterladen. ...

Na - deren "Fertigkeit" ist denn doch wohl sehr Geschmackssache ...
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Old 09-15-2015, 04:36 PM   #1129
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Na - deren "Fertigkeit" ist denn doch wohl sehr Geschmackssache ...
Ich habe nicht gesagt, dass die Datei besonders gelungen aussieht, aber man kann sie zumindest lesen...
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Du hast Recht, ich hätte das nicht schreiben sollen.
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Old 10-01-2015, 03:11 AM   #1131
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Der Arzt auf Java band 2

Hallo,

diesmal brauche ich wieder Eure Hilfe!
Des französischen nich mächtig, habe ich eine total verstümmelte Seite im
Der Arzt auf Java Band2 Seite 173.
Ansonsten habe ich das Buch jetzt fertig, nur bei der Seite muß ich passen!
Ausgabe Brünn 1861.
Verlag von Fr. Karasiat.

Ich hänge die Seite mit an!

meine Erkenntnisse bis jetzt siehe unten!
#### verstümmelte Seite!
»Wenn dem so ist, so hat Gott mich gestraft; ich hatte damals keinen Grund ihn zu hassen. Üeberdies weiß ich nicht ob er es war, der das Gefängniß den Schlangen öffnete.
Thsermai erröthete unter seiner farbigen Haut; er fürchtete einen …..Harruch, ungeachtet des Stumpfsinns in den er versunken war, bemerkt haben.
Bande des verhängnißvollen Kopfes …...........sagte er dann, »er war es; ich kann .........
»Wenn ihr das thut, Harruch ….....Harruch nicht mehr,« erwiederte …...........unbefangen
»Du siehst wohl, daß Du ….........Menschen rächen mußt, und zu.........test, durch die List und die Kraft sollte es uns gelingen, und ich will die …......Ruhe, noch meine Reichthümer ….........mit mir in meinen Palast, nicht …......sondern als mein Gast; bete zu Gott, daß unser Plan gelingt, und als der Jongleur, der Du bist, werde ich Dich zu einem reichen Manne machen.«
Harruch zuckte mit den Achseln, ….....die ebenso gut seine Zustimmung als auch eine Aeußerung der Gleichgültigkeit sein.
Thsermai führte hierauf Harruch in das Innere seiner Gemächer ein.
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Old 10-03-2015, 05:06 AM   #1132
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diesmal brauche ich wieder Eure Hilfe!
Des französischen nich mächtig, habe ich eine total verstümmelte Seite im
Der Arzt auf Java Band2 Seite 173.
Leider fehlt diese Passage in der französischen Online-Ausgabe, so das ich auf die englische Übersetzung zurückgegriffen habe.

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"If that be so I am justly punished, and had no reason for hating the Christian. Besides, how do I know that it was Noungal who opened the basket where the serpents were confined?" Thsermaï flushed under his copper-coloured skin; he feared for a moment that, notwithstanding the torpor in which Hurruck had been plunged, the latter might probably have observed him when he untied the fastenings of the fatal basket. " Yes, it was he, I assure yon."
"From the moment yon assert it, master, Hurruck has no longer a doubt," replied the juggler simply.
"You see, then, that you must revenge yourself on this man; and, as you said just now, by ruse and strength we shall succeed. I will spare neither my labour nor my riches to effect that. Come into my palace, not as a beggar but as my guest, and pray to your god that we may succeed; and if success be ours, I will change the poor juggler into a wealthy man." Hurruck moved his shoulders slightly with a gesture as indicative of acquiescence as of indifference. Thsermaï then introduced Hurruck into the inner chambers.
Hier ist mein Versuch der Puzzle-Auflösung:

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     »Wenn dem so ist, so hat Gott mich ge-
straft; ich hatte damals keinen Grund ihn 
zu hassen. Üeberdies weiß ich nicht ob Nougal es 
war, der das Gefängniß den Schlangen öffnete.
     Thsermaï erröthete unter seiner kupferfarbi-
gen Haut; er fürchtete einen Moment lang, daß
Harruch, ungeachtet des Stumpfsinns, in den er 
versunken war, bemerkt haben könnte, dass er die
Bande des verhängnißvollen Korbes gelöst hatte, und so
sagte er dann, »er war es; ich kann es ihnen versichern.«
     »Wenn ihr das thut, Herr Thsermaï, zweifelt auch 
Harruch nicht mehr,« erwiederte Harruch
unbefangen.
     »Du siehst wohl, daß Du Dich an diesem
Menschen rächen mußt, und zwar wie Du gerade sag-
test, durch die List und die Kraft wird es 
uns gelingen, und ich will dafür weder meine
Ruhe, noch meine Reichthümer (auf)sparen. Komm
mit mir in meinen Palast, nicht als Bettler,
sondern als mein Gast; bete zu Deinem Gott, 
daß unser Plan gelingt, und aus dem armen
Jongleur, der Du bist, werde ich Dich zu einem 
reichen Manne machen.«
     Harruch zuckte mit den Achseln auf eine Art,
die ebenso gut seine Zustimmung als auch 
eine Aeußerung der Gleichgültigkeit sein konnte.
     Thsermaï führte hierauf Harruch in das 
Innere seiner Gemächer ein.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:07 AM   #1133
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Danke Doitsu. ich glaube das könnte passen!
Ich werde das Buch so Ändern und erneut einstellen.

Danke!
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:10 AM   #1134
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Es sollte heissen: "Gefängnis der Schlangen".
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:41 AM   #1135
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Es sollte heissen: "Gefängnis der Schlangen".
Hätte ich auch gedacht, aber im Original steht "Gefängnis den..."
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Wunderbar, Doitsu! Und Karma für Deine schier infinite Hilfsbereitschaft.

Doch würde ich mth's Einwand schon gelten lassen: es mag sich hier um einen Druckfehler in der deutschen Ausgabe oder um einen Übersetzungsfehler handeln - eine Berichtigung in der eBook-Ausgabe wäre wünschenswert.

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Old 10-04-2015, 02:11 AM   #1137
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Ich werde das auf E-Buch auf >den< ändern!

Danke für die Hilfe!
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Old 10-04-2015, 03:10 AM   #1138
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Doch würde ich mth's Einwand schon gelten lassen: es mag sich hier um einen Druckfehler in der deutschen Ausgabe oder um einen Übersetzungsfehler handeln - eine Berichtigung in der eBook-Ausgabe wäre wünschenswert.
Es ist natürlich nicht auszuschließen, dass "den" ein Druckfehler ist, es könnte aber auch sein, dass der Übersetzer öffnen mit Dativ- und Akkusativ-Objekt verwendet hat und das Akkusativobjekt (das Gefängnis) dem Dativobjekt (den Schlangen) vorangestellt hat und sich der Satz dadurch etwas komisch liest.

Im Valenzwörterbuch findet man für öffnen den folgenden Beispielsatz:

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Mit einer NP [=Nominalphrase] im Dat[iv] kann auf die Person, für die etwas geöffnet wird, Bezug genommen werden:
(11) Kannst du mir bitte das Schloss öffnen!
Diese Konstruktion findet man heutzutage fast nur noch in festen Redewendungen. Z.B. jemandem die Augen öffnen.

@hornhj: Verwendet der Übersetzer gelegentlich Konstruktionen mit vorangestellten Akkusativobjekten?
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Das ist schon alles richtig, Doitsu. Aber die englische Übersetzung spricht für ein Genitiv-Attribut.

Klingt "der das Gefängniß den Schlangen öffnete" nicht auch mehr so, als ob die Gefängnistür aufgemacht werde, damit die Schlangen hereinspazieren können?

Ist tatsächlich kein französisches Original aufzutreiben?
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Der englische Textausschnitt läuft auf jeden Fall auf "das Gefängnis der Schlangen" hinaus. Ich würde gegebenenfalls einfach eine Fußnote anbringen. Ich werde weiter nach einem französischen Original suchen.
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