Books in the Age of the iPad - Page 7

Harmon · 03-06-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clockworkzombie

I the iPad is successful like the iPod touch and maybe like the iPhone html5 will get a boost and flash will be depreciated.

If the iPad and other devices that do not use flash are not successful in the marketplace then flash will be added to the devices to gain market share.

If you persist in saying intelligent things, people are going to disregard you.

Harmon · 03-06-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LDBoblo

Though the mass market's knowledge of the iPad's limitations relative to Apple's claims about the "best" browsing experience is not really comparable to a car that can't drive to Hawaii.

More like a car that can't drive in rain. Defenders will say that it's dangerous and pointless to drive in conditions like that anyway, and if the car is popular enough, it will encourage more underground tunnel building.

Not my fault you guys want to live in Seattle.

clockworkzombie · 03-06-2010, 05:02 PM

The comment about best browsing experience is surely in the context of a mobile device.

Web browsing on mobile devices before mobile safari was not great. Mini opera was probably the best of the bunch and it worked because opera connected to a server that cached the page and then transmitted it to your phone.

pilotbob · 03-06-2010, 05:04 PM

You of course all realize "the best way to browse" is nothing more than marketing speak. It is hyperbole and opinion and can not be challenged.

BOb

clockworkzombie · 03-06-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

If you persist in saying intelligent things, people are going to disregard you.

Sorry about that.

IF YOU DO NOT BUY AN IPAD THEN BEARS WILL COME AND EAT YOU.

Is that better?

Graham · 03-06-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clockworkzombie

The comment about best browsing experience is surely in the context of a mobile device.

Web browsing on mobile devices before mobile safari was not great. Mini opera was probably the best of the bunch and it worked because opera connected to a server that cached the page and then transmitted it to your phone.

I'd class netbooks as mobile devices. They render web pages correctly and with any browser that you'd like.

To refer to the original topic, the question regards the evolution of books (or reading material in general) in the 'age of' the iPad - not necessarily on the iPad. Consequently any device that allows you to manipulate and scroll a screen roughly 10" diagonally would fit the bill.

Graham

charleski · 03-06-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Graham

To refer to the original topic, the question regards the evolution of books (or reading material in general) in the 'age of' the iPad - not necessarily on the iPad. Consequently any device that allows you to manipulate and scroll a screen roughly 10" diagonally would fit the bill.

The Macintosh 128k had a 9" screen, which is close enough. This is an 'age' that's been around for 26 years.

Nakor · 03-06-2010, 06:40 PM

HTML5 won't likely totally remove flash from the web, though it'll eliminate Flash from anywhere that uses it purely for videos or animations. Flash will just be relegated to doing the things it was originally intended for - games for example, and other highly interactive objects.

</offtopic>

clockworkzombie · 03-06-2010, 06:42 PM

I would argue a netbook is a regular computer in a small form factor so it should be able to do anything a general purpose computer can do.

A mobile computing device like my iPod touch or my Nokia N95 can do some things a regular computer can do but its software is optimised for a different purpose. The N95 is made to make calls but can play music, video and browse the web. It does these things competently.

For any major change in the way we do things a device needs to be ubiquitous, look at the way the iPod has changed the way we listen to music. There were many mp3 players before the iPod and things like mini disc players but they were not a cheap mass market product that could be purchased on every street corner.

Ebook readers are surely at that pre ipod stage now, I purchased one to check it out as I did not know anybody with one and could not find a store to look at one. This is in Australia. I found the Bebook website and ordered from there. Now I can find a half dozen or so Australian sites I can purchase readers from though I cannot walk into a store and buy a dedicated reader in my town. Hopefully the iPad will be the spark that will make this class of device ubiquitous.

We have had 10" screens for years, look at all the older laptops for example. I cannot say I was enthused about the idea of reading my books on them.

I would say the most likely thing to change in ebooks will be multimedia, sounds or music to set a scene, images or video for illustration or even internet connectivity to change data depending on the time of day.

I played a video game once that involved hunting vampires and the cartridge has a solar sensor on it to detect sunlight. It was easier during the day harder at night and you could not kill a vampire at night.

My Bebook does not have a touch screen or stylus and is a different device to those with it. My usage is passive like an mp3 player. Is interactivity needed in books and will it be any better than the pick a path books of 20 years ago?

Harmon · 03-06-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by clockworkzombie

Sorry about that.

IF YOU DO NOT BUY AN IPAD THEN BEARS WILL COME AND EAT YOU.

Is that better?

iBears.

Sonist · 03-06-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamara

In your opinion, it's lying because you love flash.

No. I don't care about Flash any more than I care about Java or HTML.

But that Apple is lying is a fact.

Apple purposefully faked web pages, such as portions of the NYT site, to hide the fact that the iPad cannot display all of the content.

Apple has done this in the past. Two years ago, the Advertising Standards Authority in England ruled that Apple's iPhone ads were deceitful, and puled them off the air. For exactly the same reason - Apple pretended that the iPhone can view Flash pages.

I guess Apple figures they can lie, get the sales, then most purchasers will not bother to return the product, and Apple will pay whatever the small fine for false advertising is.

As to all the "Flash crashes my Mac," perhaps people should fix their computers. Most of the world doesn't have such issues.

As to the digital vs. print thing - it's not a philosophical question, but a marketing and demand one.

Harmon · 03-06-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonist

As to all the "Flash crashes my Mac," perhaps people should fix their computers. Most of the world doesn't have such issues.

Neither do I. I disabled flash. Somehow, I can live without it. But then, I don't do video. Too sloooowwww. I'm a text kind of guy. Except, of course, for the Hitler parodies and anything involving Louis Armstrong.

Truthfully, flash has never crashed my Mac. But it does seem to slow it down. I won't miss it on my iPad. I have better things to do than watch videos. Except, of course, for Adolf & Louis.

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As to the digital vs. print thing - it's not a philosophical question, but a marketing and demand one.

So is the flash question, don't you think?

HansTWN · 03-07-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

So is the flash question, don't you think?

Yes, exactly. And as you can see in this forum, Apple is losing customers in droves. People who love the device and don't buy it because it lacks flash.

Tamara · 03-07-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

Yes, exactly. And as you can see in this forum, Apple is losing customers in droves. People who love the device and don't buy it because it lacks flash.

I don't see Apple losing droves of customers based on these forums. These forums just aren't Apple's target market for the device.

Harmon · 03-07-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

Yes, exactly. And as you can see in this forum, Apple is losing customers in droves. People who love the device and don't buy it because it lacks flash.

Actually, what I think I see is people who don't like Apple, and are seizing on the lack of flash as an example of the reason for their dislike.

I don't think that Apple is losing customers, because I really don't think that lack of flash is the reason people don't want to get an iPad. That is, I do not suppose that if Apple relented, and added flash back in to the iPad package, they would wind up selling any significant number of additional iPads.

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03-06-2010, 05:02 PM	#93
clockworkzombie Connoisseur Posts: 99 Karma: 11962 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Queensland Device: iPad	The comment about best browsing experience is surely in the context of a mobile device. Web browsing on mobile devices before mobile safari was not great. Mini opera was probably the best of the bunch and it worked because opera connected to a server that cached the page and then transmitted it to your phone.

03-06-2010, 05:04 PM	#94
pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	You of course all realize "the best way to browse" is nothing more than marketing speak. It is hyperbole and opinion and can not be challenged. BOb

03-06-2010, 06:40 PM	#98
Nakor Addict Posts: 214 Karma: 511602 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BC, Canada Device: Aluratek Libre	HTML5 won't likely totally remove flash from the web, though it'll eliminate Flash from anywhere that uses it purely for videos or animations. Flash will just be relegated to doing the things it was originally intended for - games for example, and other highly interactive objects. </offtopic>

03-06-2010, 06:42 PM	#99
clockworkzombie Connoisseur Posts: 99 Karma: 11962 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Queensland Device: iPad	I would argue a netbook is a regular computer in a small form factor so it should be able to do anything a general purpose computer can do. A mobile computing device like my iPod touch or my Nokia N95 can do some things a regular computer can do but its software is optimised for a different purpose. The N95 is made to make calls but can play music, video and browse the web. It does these things competently. For any major change in the way we do things a device needs to be ubiquitous, look at the way the iPod has changed the way we listen to music. There were many mp3 players before the iPod and things like mini disc players but they were not a cheap mass market product that could be purchased on every street corner. Ebook readers are surely at that pre ipod stage now, I purchased one to check it out as I did not know anybody with one and could not find a store to look at one. This is in Australia. I found the Bebook website and ordered from there. Now I can find a half dozen or so Australian sites I can purchase readers from though I cannot walk into a store and buy a dedicated reader in my town. Hopefully the iPad will be the spark that will make this class of device ubiquitous. We have had 10" screens for years, look at all the older laptops for example. I cannot say I was enthused about the idea of reading my books on them. I would say the most likely thing to change in ebooks will be multimedia, sounds or music to set a scene, images or video for illustration or even internet connectivity to change data depending on the time of day. I played a video game once that involved hunting vampires and the cartridge has a solar sensor on it to detect sunlight. It was easier during the day harder at night and you could not kill a vampire at night. My Bebook does not have a touch screen or stylus and is a different device to those with it. My usage is passive like an mp3 player. Is interactivity needed in books and will it be any better than the pick a path books of 20 years ago?

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