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Old 05-22-2009, 10:30 PM   #91
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Apple 'Kindle killer' rumor gets touch-screen

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05...anel_supplier/

Taiwanese market-watching site DigiTimes reported Friday that touch-screen manufacturer Wintek has been tapped by Apple to supply display panels for Cupertino's "upcoming e-book form factor netbook product."

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Speculation about whether or not Apple is - or should be - preparing an ebook reader has been floating around for over a year, and has recently picked up steam - even here at The Reg, where this morning we pointed out that long-time Apple analyst Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray ses a "Kindle-killer" coming out of Cupertino early next year.

But speculation is just that - Webster defines "speculate" as "to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence."

But Friday's report from the oft-reliable DigiTimes adds to the mounting evidence. Exactly when that volume of evidence will graduate from insufficient to sufficient remains ... well ... a matter of speculation.
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Probably. And selling more E-book means the publishers making more of these. -> good.
Yep. Even for those of us that want e-ink etc. it's good news as more people buying ebooks will get publishers putting out more, putting more effort into making them etc. etc.


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The biggest problem with tablets, IMO, is alpha-numeric input. I have one and there is no way that I can touch type with the onscreen keyboard. Handwriting recognition is so-so and not a decent alternative.
They'll never really be for writing. They'll be for iPhone like functions. Surf the net, planner, watch videos, listen to music, read stuff. They're not meant to be a laptop replacement. For something like that they just need a tablet PC that works better and maybe has the screen detachable when you just want to use it as a tablet.

I don't really care about that stuff anyway. I don't want to use any future tablet device for writing etc. My university gives all professors a PC in their office and a laptop, so I'm covered on those grounds.

Any tablet I buy would be soley for net surfing, videos and maybe reading and marking up PDFs etc.


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Mass production is already driving the price down. The magic number, today, is $200. If, in some foreseeable future, some of these "looks-like-a-letter-sized-transparency-foil" SF prototypes go bellow $100 or even lower than that...
Price will help sales. But still even at $100 someone that only reads one or two books a year will never buy a dedicated reader. But they may buy those one or two books as ebooks if some other device they had for other reasons had good and easy to use reader functions built in. And getting the casual readers buying ebooks is key for the format to really succeed.

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I have a lawyer friend who says that the vast majority (almost all) their paperwork now comes through e-mail as PDFs.

As you might guess, they print all that dreck off, use it for the course of whatever trial or meetings it pertains to, and then, as you might again guess, they toss it: they have the PDFs for filing purposes.

They don't just deal with them on laptops for the same reasons that most folks don't want to e-read anything else on a laptop: bulky, heavy, unsatisfactory battery life, the usual readability issues, etc.

I've discussed the idea of something that was about clipboard sized that would allow him to read those PDF files, maybe even make notes, was easier on the eyes and ran for a full day or three on a charge. His reaction was ... well, let's just call it "positive."

The same factors would make such a device similarly attractive to doctors, professors, anyone who still deals with lots of paper in our eco-friendly "paperless" society.
Yep, I'm a professor and I still print out my PDFs of scholarly journal articles as I need to be able to quickly skim through and highlight stuff and jot notes in the margins. I also like being able to flip through them very quickly, which you can't do with an e-reader.

But I am very interested in a tablet device. If Apple (or someone else) can make stylus use/writing as intuitive as the finger touching is on the the iPhone it could be great for reading PDFs and taking notes right on the screen.

Current tablet PCs don't work well since the stylus just acts like a mouse rather than a touch screen stylus on a PDA etc.

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The biggest problem with tablets, IMO, is alpha-numeric input. I have one and there is no way that I can touch type with the onscreen keyboard. Handwriting recognition is so-so and not a decent alternative.
I just got a Fujitsu tablet and I'm pretty surprised at how well the included handwriting recognition software worked. As happy as I am with the handwriting recognition, though, the interface and whole tablet PC experience still leaves much to be desired.
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Yep, I'm a professor and I still print out my PDFs of scholarly journal articles as I need to be able to quickly skim through and highlight stuff and jot notes in the margins. I also like being able to flip through them very quickly, which you can't do with an e-reader.
Point. But have you considered the advantages of completely electronic paper grading?

Depending on what sort of professor you are, it may or may not make any difference to you, but my wife is an English prof, and she's pretty interested in being able to take, grade, and return papers all electronically. It would allow for use of the on-line plagiarism checkers, and allow her to keep copies of the graded papers with her comments for future reference, all without using a single sheet of paper.

Unfortunately, we're just not quite there yet.
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So Apple may be coming out with a tablet computer. It will be a "tablet Mac" as opposed to a "notebook Mac". Is this really something to get excited about?
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So Apple may be coming out with a tablet computer. It will be a "tablet Mac" as opposed to a "notebook Mac". Is this really something to get excited about?
Prepare to be hated. You should know that every Apple product carries with it a moral obligation for people to get excited.

The only thing more exciting than a new Apple product is Steve Jobs demonstrating a new Apple product.
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Prepare to be hated. You should know that every Apple product carries with it a moral obligation for people to get excited.

The only thing more exciting than a new Apple product is Steve Jobs demonstrating a new Apple product.
The only people who get excited over Apple products like that are people who have a "fanboy wank" every time Apple is even rumored to be coming out with something new.
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It will be a "tablet Mac" as opposed to a "notebook Mac".
It is more likely to be an "iPod/Mega-Touch". I say this because its battery life will be poor if they use Intel microprocessors. For what can be done now with ARM, see Smart Q7 Tablet with 8-12 hour battery life without WiFi on.
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Would it not be the screen that would be the main "power hog" rather than the CPU? I understand that the Intel "Atom" CPUs used in netbook devices are pretty low power.
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Like it or not, every major new device brought to the Apple line of products is always accompanied by a choice of interesting ergonomic software help, new type of function, new gadgetry... or interesting whatever. Part of the fun is also trying to guess what innovation will be the next one. It is an exercise outlet for the imagination, to give access to unfulfilled needs, to find them and find solution. Period.
Do we always have to point the difference between intuition and pragmatism? Both live here at MR and flourish.

The surprise factor Apple has been known for, explains the positive anticipation one might find around an Apple announcement. Such enthousiasm has nothing to do with fanboyhood for the majority of Apple product users. I will have as much anticipation for Sony, Sanyo or Samsung. The really unusable products from Apple have been few.

This period, as this site celebrates, is the birth of a new ways in reading. The traditional media distribution systems for information that was in flux since the arrival of internet is now in turmoil and is now joined in it by the thought unnassailable temple that is litterature. We all know that.

There is an information medium that has benefited intensely from Apple's ventures in new ways such as Desktop Publishing. Magazine Distribution. As other sacred cows, magazines are shaking through to their bases from the onslaught of internet that forces them to migrate from paper to a less protected/controlled format. We all know that.

My point is this. Sony has beaten Apple to the ebook with a complete device/distribution tactic such as the success type Apple became famous for. A double hit. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that Apple could do wonders in designing a magazine/newspaper/pdf document viewer? The way that their iPod touch handles documents bigger than its display size, brings images of ease for any successor Apple would decide on.

For one, I will embrace a better refinement solution to a tablet as a successor to the paper magazine, whatever entity creates it. Apple has a good track record at evolving concepts, even if it has a few pimples on its nose.

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I understand that the Intel "Atom" CPUs used in netbook devices are pretty low power.
They are low power for Intel chipsets, but don't yet compare to ARM chipsets. Atom is 3-5 W vs < 1 W for ARM. The ARM chips can also suspend to a very low power state, Intel's "Moorestown” version of the Atom (due later this year) is supposed to drastically reduce idle power in an attempt to compete.

However, as you say, with a 10" screen the screen might dominate the power budget. If so, then Atom would make sense.
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Current tablet PCs don't work well since the stylus just acts like a mouse rather than a touch screen stylus on a PDA etc.
I don't understand what you're saying. A Tablet's stylus doesn't just act like a mouse. It can also be used for text entry, or free-hand scribbling in whatever apps support this. In fact, the comparison to a PDA stylus is almost perfect if you buy one with a passive digitizer (not that those are better than active digitizers).

- In non-text entry portions of the screen, the pen works as a mouse. Similar to selection on a PDA.

- In text entry portions of the screen, you can use the TIP (Tablet Input Panel) or RitePen to get ASCII characters from your handwriting. Similar to using Graffiti or whatever on a PDA for text entry.

- In handwriting enabled apps, you can handwrite in the app. Similar to a PDA in a few notes apps. But on Tablet PCs, there are more apps available that take and store your freehand writing than on PDAs.

The perfect example for your needs is to open your PDFs in PDF Annotator, and then you can highlight, or scribble notes right on the PDF pages, such that they'll be e-mailed or printed to look just like you used a red pen and yellow highlighter to make you comments.
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So Apple may be coming out with a tablet computer. It will be a "tablet Mac" as opposed to a "notebook Mac". Is this really something to get excited about?
I wouldn't be for tablet Mac, but if it's something like a 10 inch iPhone/iPod touch I could be interested as it would be a great multimedia device, and may allow for easy highlighting and annotating of PDFs and other documents.

I don't care so much about Apple per se (never bought an Apple product) but I'm just interested in such a device period.

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I don't understand what you're saying. A Tablet's stylus doesn't just act like a mouse. It can also be used for text entry, or free-hand scribbling in whatever apps support this. In fact, the comparison to a PDA stylus is almost perfect if you buy one with a passive digitizer (not that those are better than active digitizers).
What I'm saying is for the couple of tablet PCs I've used, if you wanted to click on a program or something you couldn't just tap it. You had to move the cursor around with the stylus like you would a mouse and get it over top the icon etc.

And the writing has been very non-intuitive on the few I've seen, and I struggle to write small and legibly with my terrible penmanship. I really need something where the writing feels just like writing on paper and can be done as small and neatly as quickly and carefree. If I can't easily scribble notes in the margins of PDFs etc., such a device loses a lot of appeal for me. Guess what I'm saying is that the touch screen sensitivity and precision on the one's I've tried out wasn't good enough for me.

But maybe the tech has gotten better since I last played with one a couple years back, and then it's just a matter of having a small 10" (or maybe 8.5" x11") vs the larger ones as I want something small and lite to carry around.

So I'm hoping Apple comes out with something like that, as I have high hopes that they'd get the screen right given how good the iPhone screen is. Though I worry that their tablet may be a finger touch screen and not designed for writing with a tablet. Which could be the case if they're just going for a larger iPhone type device rather than a more traditional tablet.

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Taiwanese market-watching site DigiTimes reported Friday that touch-screen manufacturer Wintek has been tapped by Apple to supply display panels for Cupertino's "upcoming e-book form factor netbook product."

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Speculation about whether or not Apple is - or should be - preparing an ebook reader has been floating around for over a year, and has recently picked up steam - even here at The Reg, where this morning we pointed out that long-time Apple analyst Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray ses a "Kindle-killer" coming out of Cupertino early next year.

But speculation is just that - Webster defines "speculate" as "to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence."

But Friday's report from the oft-reliable DigiTimes adds to the mounting evidence. Exactly when that volume of evidence will graduate from insufficient to sufficient remains ... well ... a matter of speculation.
Khm, I already addressed this story: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=72

It pays to read the topic sometimes...

There's nothing new about Apple readying a tablet but this topic is about a "Kindle killer" I believe - which just ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
Simply economics are not there yet, especially not with Apple's exorbitant profit margin (look at MB Air, it's a giant flop, just Apple won't admit it.)
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I wouldn't be for tablet Mac, but if it's something like a 10 inch iPhone/iPod touch I could be interested as it would be a great multimedia device, and may allow for easy highlighting and annotating of PDFs and other documents.

I don't care so much about Apple per se (never bought an Apple product) but I'm just interested in such a device period.



What I'm saying is for the couple of tablet PCs I've used, if you wanted to click on a program or something you couldn't just tap it. You had to move the cursor around with the stylus like you would a mouse and get it over top the icon etc.

And the writing has been very non-intuitive on the few I've seen, and I struggle to write small and legibly with my terrible penmanship. I really need something where the writing feels just like writing on paper and can be done as small and neatly as quickly and carefree. If I can't easily scribble notes in the margins of PDFs etc., such a device loses a lot of appeal for me. Guess what I'm saying is that the touch screen sensitivity and precision on the one's I've tried out wasn't good enough for me.

But maybe the tech has gotten better since I last played with one a couple years back, and then it's just a matter of having a small 10" (or maybe 8.5" x11") vs the larger ones as I want something small and lite to carry around.

So I'm hoping Apple comes out with something like that, as I have high hopes that they'd get the screen right given how good the iPhone screen is. Though I worry that their tablet may be a finger touch screen and not designed for writing with a tablet. Which could be the case if they're just going for a larger iPhone type device rather than a more traditional tablet.
There are different type of touch panels, one is more expensive but well-suited for hadnwriting - you probably tested the cheaper one.

Also there's a huge difference between tablets from even just 3-4 years ago and today.

Mine is a Gigabyte M912-M and I really like it. The only issue I have that it's still not a device you would carry around and read when commuting - that's the Kindle, not my tablet. Since I've got my Kindle I'm thinking about selling my tablet... it makes no sense to keep another device for reading purposes (saide of my Kindle there's my home workstation plus my wife's Macbook.)
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