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Old 02-09-2009, 04:02 PM   #91
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I agree... with this. But I could see using it when eyes are tired and I just want to "read" some news. As you say, I doubt I would use it for long term listening of fiction works.

Also, I bet it butchers older stuff like Treasure Island or Sherlock Holmes stories.

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I wonder what would happen if you gave it something like the Canterbury Tales in middle English?
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:04 PM   #92
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If it was the Kindle firmware that you just upgraded, it didn't need an SD card. You could copy it directly into the Kindle itself.
You're right. I could have sworn that it said to copy the .bin file to the SD card, but looking at the page just now, it says either there or Kindle memory.

So strike that objection, anyway!
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:05 PM   #93
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Yeah, PDF support is a different bugger all together. No one has that wrapped up, and it's unlikely it will happen soon. PDF has turned into "digital paper" but it's become digital paper because it it looks the exact same when printed out no matter what views it.

Making it "just work" on an ebook reader with a screen a fourth of that size is no easy task.

Quite frankly, I'm shocked their conversions work as well as they do. But hopefully as things like this become more common we'll see more things put into PDF formats that are easier to deal with. No double columns, etc.
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I agree with that. The problem is DRM. Once that nut is cracked mobi is ubiquitous enough to convert to pretty much any format. Just as if you COULD by ePub (DRM FREE) it could easily be converted to mobi to be read on the Kindle.
Point generally taken, but ePub is technically a superior (and better documented) format than Mobi.
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Me, too. Hopefully some nice K2 owner will post an audio clip of it for us.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:16 PM   #97
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So strike that objection, anyway!
Well, I'll give you an objection to replace it: I just got off the phone with Amazon support and the "replaceable battery" is only replaceable by Amazon. You'd have to send it back to get it replaced.

So far, the guy who leaked the pictures and specs months ago is batting a thousand, I think.

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Old 02-09-2009, 04:17 PM   #98
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There's no pressing interest for Amazon to implement ePub.
The reason why Amazon should be interested is technical books, including text books. However, Amazon has clearly decided that their marketing clout is enough to force publishers to issue sub-standard ebooks. This has already happened at O'Reilly which issues their ebook bundles in PDF and ePub and also in MOBI (which require much work on their part to make them half way readable) with the proviso that MOBI is only supported by O'Reilly on the Kindle.

The latest 1.2 firmware for the K1 includes Greek and monospaced font support. Presumably the K2 will have this out of the box. This is to address two of the glaring shortcomings of the AZW on the Kindle for technical ebooks, but there are others. The image zoom is probably also primarily for technical books. Based on the User's Guide, the K2 might have upgraded table support too. What Amazon seems to have decided to do is to tweak MOBI rather than switch to ePub. I just hope this does not make AZW a superset of MOBI.
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Point generally taken, but ePub is technically a superior (and better documented) format than Mobi.
I won't argue that. However, ePub support can be added with a firmware update. If it becomes as ubiquitous as MP3s are Amazon can always support it with an update.

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Old 02-09-2009, 04:19 PM   #100
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Does anyone have a secure Kindle ebook they could send to me? I'd really like to examine the secure Kindle format and I don't *HAVE* a Kindle so I can't just buy a Kindle ebook.

Obviously, I don't need the customer ID as I'm looking at the file structure not the contents.

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Old 02-09-2009, 04:22 PM   #101
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Yeah, PDF support is a different bugger all together. No one has that wrapped up, and it's unlikely it will happen soon. PDF has turned into "digital paper" but it's become digital paper because it it looks the exact same when printed out no matter what views it.

Making it "just work" on an ebook reader with a screen a fourth of that size is no easy task.

Quite frankly, I'm shocked their conversions work as well as they do. But hopefully as things like this become more common we'll see more things put into PDF formats that are easier to deal with. No double columns, etc.
Sadly it seems many people won't buy a reader if PDF isn't in the bullet-point list of features. They don't realize it sucks and is therefore relatively insignificant until they try it. I give Amazon some credit for listing the conversion as "Experimental" rather than just saying they support it. They realize they can't support it well so they don't mislead you into thinking it's going to work the way most people would expect it to.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:25 PM   #102
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Does anyone have a secure Kindle ebook they could send to me? I'd really like to examine the secure Kindle format and I don't *HAVE* a Kindle so I can't just buy a Kindle ebook.
PM me your email address and I will send you one.

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I cannot really see the point in text2speech on an ebook-reader.
It does make sense if you have a tiny device with a tiny display (or none at all), but why would anyone want to carry around a relatively large device with a great display and then use the device but not the display?
Consider for a moment those people learning English (as spoken in the US.) I remember the forign language lessons back in high school and how late at night when you are looking over the day's work how hard it was to hear in your mind the sound of some of the word forms. With this device you can see and hear the words of the novels, stories, blogs, and news.
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Thanks! I'll have to listen to it when I get home. Is it Hawking-esque.
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Consider for a moment those people learning English (as spoken in the US.) I remember the forign language lessons back in high school and how late at night when you are looking over the day's work how hard it was to hear in your mind the sound of some of the word forms. With this device you can see and hear the words of the novels, stories, blogs, and news.
I wonder if they have a single word or line selection for TTS like the do for dictionary. Sometimes you may just want a single word pronounced for you.
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