Paperwhite news?

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by kyôdai

This is another thing that you do.
Instead of coming up with any arguments yourself, you just repeat what I said, with a "No, you are!!!".

I asked you to proof your statements.
Instead of doing so, you falsely claim that I have not proven mine...

I have not made any statements of facts. I merely expressed an opinion. You were the one who said his statements are facts, not opinions. If you had said that in your opinion the current Oasis is a failure, then this discussion would have ended right there. Instead you said that it's a fact. Well, it isn't and you have not proven anything of the sort.

But I have explained the Oasis concept to you.

There is no "Oasis concept". There was the concept for the Oasis 1, and there is the concept for the Oasis 2/3. Why do you insist they should be the same?

I have given you the facts, that made the original Oasis particulary lightweight and ergonomic.
I have given you the facts, why the Oasis 2/3 does not fulfill this concept anymore.

Why should the Oasis 2 fulfill the concept of the Oasis 1? It's not the same device, except in name. It fulfills a different concept. All you're saying is that the Oasis 2/3 is a failure because it's different from the Oasis 1. And that's not a fact, but an opinion.

No, that is not what I have said.
I did not say that it cannot be comfortable to hold and I did not say, that people should or cannot like it.

I said, that it lost almost everything, that once made it particulary ergonomic. (Again, see previous posts...)

That still doesn't make it a failure. It lost something (exceedingly light weight) and it gained something (larger screen and better battery). There are always trade-offs. I, for one, prefer the Oasis 2/3 to the Oasis 1 (which I sold after buying the Oasis 2). So do many others, and have done so for the past 4 years. Amazon would hardly have kept a failed device in production for 4 years.

I'm not saying they're certainly not going to discontinue it; they may, but not for the reasons you stated. The main reason is likely to be too high a price, which resulted in too few sales. Nothing to do with concepts or ergonomics.

Note that it's an opinion, not a fact. I don't know what Amazon is going to do or why; and neither do you.

[issybird]

OK, folks, time to let it go. There’s nothing new being said here and continued restating of a position serves no purpose at all. Let’s go back to topic, actual news and commentary.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

That still doesn't make it a failure. It lost something (exceedingly light weight)

Even there... I have RSI severe enough that I can't use conventional keyboards for more than a minute or two without pain and have to read most trade paperbacks and hardbacks flat on a table because I can't lift them for very long. But even for me, the Oasis 2 and 3 are (just) light enough to hold for long periods without trouble -- the saving grace being that you can easily move them from hand to hand. The Oasis 1 was so light I could hold it in one hand indefinitely, but it was also *so* light that it could easily fly out of my hand from the jolts of, say, walking, and go crashing to the ground (getting a little more damaged every time).

So... possibly the v1 was *too* light? With a skin to cover the terrible metal back, the Oasis v3 is definitely ergonomic from my perspective (oh, also, don't forget the primary definition of "ergonomic": "looks different and costs a lot more". The Oasis certainly satisfies *that* ;} )

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by TheSmitty

Physical page turn buttons is what sets the Oasis (any old Voyage) apart. I do not like to smudge up my screen or accidentally turn pages. I suspect I am not alone in this department. If they have physical turn buttons with this new device (on both sides like on a Voyage) then it is compelling for me as I suspect it would not be as wide as my Oasis and more pocket friendly.

Unless your fingers are unusually greasy, you won't "smudge up the screen". An eInk screen is nothing like the screen on a phone or tablet. I've been using a touch screen eInk Reader for about 11 years. So what I am saying comes from experience.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Atunah

Interesting. Like many others, I must have page turn buttons. Those are an absolute deal breaker.

Why are page turn buttons a deal breaker?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Paperbackstash

Why do you think they abandoned the Oasis concept? They updated it last, Paperwhite before it, Oasis before that. They have never, that I can recall, updated both in the same year. Sales for e-readers are down in general, so perhaps the Oasis is not selling as well now, I'm not sure, but I for one hope it stays around. I know many are fans of the device - it's not for everyone, but I don't see the Paperwhite replacing the Oasis for many, updated or not.

My guess is that the Oasis is just too expensive.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

As to metal, well, you live in Florida. Metal can get pretty cold to hold in northern climates. And when it's cold, it's also slippery.

But that's irrelevant how slippery the Oasis when hot because when you have a case that doesn't matter. Also, it doesn't matter if it's metal or plastic with the case.

Personally, I find Readers nicer to hold when they are in a case. I've been using a Reader since I got the Sony Reader PRS-500 in late 2006/early 2007 (not exactly sure when I got it). That's about 14/15 years. So I'm talking from experience.

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I'm also pretty sure it's a fact that the "Oasis concept" doesn't mean a device must have a removable battery cover. It's been 4 years since that was used. Oases have been produced in all those years, with a different concept than the Oasis 1 had. That's certainly a fact. You just prefer not to see it.

The battery case of the Oasis 1 was disaster. It made the Oasis really heavy and clunky and not at all nice to hold.

[Dr. Drib]

Say, does anyone know if there is a way to disable screen touch like on the Oasis 3 - without any kind of future jailbreak involved/contemplated? I absolutely love this feature.

(I realize there are no buttons on the new Paperwhite, so my question is probably a 'no', unless there is the ability for the firmware developers to assign an area as Active to enable/disable this kind of feature.)

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

Say, does anyone know if there is a way to disable screen touch like on the Oasis 3 - without any kind of future jailbreak involved/contemplated? I absolutely love this feature.

(I realize there are no buttons on the new Paperwhite, so my question is probably a 'no', unless there is the ability for the firmware developers to assign an area as Active to enable/disable this kind of feature.)

I would rather a feature to disable the buttons.

[CAFlanny]

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

Say, does anyone know if there is a way to disable screen touch like on the Oasis 3 - without any kind of future jailbreak involved/contemplated? I absolutely love this feature.

(I realize there are no buttons on the new Paperwhite, so my question is probably a 'no', unless there is the ability for the firmware developers to assign an area as Active to enable/disable this kind of feature.)

Unless they changed it with the latest software upgrade, there was a disable touch screen feature. I've traded in my PW4 for the new one, so I can't confirm it at the moment.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Unless your fingers are unusually greasy, you won't "smudge up the screen".

Yes, you will, if your fingers are not completely dry all the time. And there are many people whose fingers aren't. Many people even have fingers and hands that tend to always sweat a little.

I also speak from experience, having used ereaders for 10 years, and having fingers that aren't particularly dry and sometimes sweat (yes, even in winter).

TL;DR People are different and so are their fingers.

[Canis_lupus]

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

Say, does anyone know if there is a way to disable screen touch like on the Oasis 3 - without any kind of future jailbreak involved/contemplated? I absolutely love this feature.

(I realize there are no buttons on the new Paperwhite, so my question is probably a 'no', unless there is the ability for the firmware developers to assign an area as Active to enable/disable this kind of feature.)

Originally Posted by CAFlanny

Unless they changed it with the latest software upgrade, there was a disable touch screen feature. I've traded in my PW4 for the new one, so I can't confirm it at the moment.

I just dug out my Paperwhite 4. Inside a book, touch the three dots on the upper right and Disable Touchscreen is in the drop down menu. My Paperwhite is on version 5.13.6.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But that's irrelevant how slippery the Oasis when hot because when you have a case that doesn't matter. Also, it doesn't matter if it's metal or plastic with the case.

Personally, I find Readers nicer to hold when they are in a case.

But... *you yourself* just said that the point of the Oasis was that it's lightweight, and that making the Oasis 2 less lightweight proved it was a failure! I don't entirely agree, but... apparently your own words don't count when you can make a different point that requires you to argue in the opposite direction.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The battery case of the Oasis 1 was disaster. It made the Oasis really heavy and clunky and not at all nice to hold.

But... the Oasis 2 and 3 are much heavier with either of their cases on than the Oasis 1 is with it off (heavy enough that I only read my Oasis 3 with the case on when I absolutely must), yet you just said the weight of the case is unimportant?! You can't have it both ways. You certainly can't have it both ways in the same post.

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I would rather a feature to disable the buttons.

You're so funny, Jon!

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by CAFlanny

Unless they changed it with the latest software upgrade, there was a disable touch screen feature. I've traded in my PW4 for the new one, so I can't confirm it at the moment.

So there actually was this feature on the PW4? If so, I didn't know that.