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A (genuine) query - if Dr Seuss was from a country other than the US, would the books nominated by the estate have been treated the way they are now, discontinued for portrayal issues
![]() If the author had been English, or French (or you nominate the country) would this discussion be under consideration) Is this decision by the estate one specific to US cultural norms (whatever that is) and not as something other countries would have been insistent about. If so, why not let other countries decide whether to continue with the purchase of the books. Last edited by Lynx-lynx; 03-07-2021 at 02:31 PM. |
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My point is though, would the discussion have taken place outside of the US by the copyright holders. ![]() |
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The Seuss situation is a special example of self-censorship, comparable to that where an author avoids topics where his or her views would give offense to powerful others. And self-censorship is found in many nations. Of course, the Seuss case isn't one where the author self-censors, but rather it is being done by his legatees. That has to be rare anywhere, because, until recently, an author's backlist almost always became uneconomical to keep in print long before copyright expired. With eBooks, and perhaps print on demand, that has changed. Withdrawing eBooks, because the author's ideas generate outrage in succeeding generations, is something new. The U.S. may be first there, but I think will not be the last. |
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Here is the American Library Association's list of challenged and banned children's books:
http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/f...childrensbooks The Seuss titles currently on it are: Quote:
Will they add five more to the list -- as I think they should -- or will they give in to self-censorship and take Seuss off the list? I don't know. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 03-06-2021 at 10:10 PM. |
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Yes, Steve I see your points. But my referral post is actually questioning whether it's a curent US cultural norm that this has occurred, and wouldn't have occurred elsewhere.
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I started typing a long list of instances of current and past racist discrimination here, but it shouldn't be necessary. Imagine yourself being a child of mostly Chinese descent, or a parent of Chinese descent reading for your child, and coming across that page. Can you seriously not see why the Seuss rights owners decided to stop reprinting it? Quote:
We've had a few similar situations here:
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Tintin in the Congo was withdrawn. Quite an interesting case, in fact: they tried to reissue it for adult collectors, but it was still getting shelved in the children's section, so they pulled it again.
I don't know what the deal is with Enid Blyton's Golliwog books, but I'd be surprised if they were still available in original form. The main difference here is the amount of publicity. Children's book get revised and withdrawn all the time. You can't expect children to make allowances for the time a book was written, as you can with adults reading Whose Body? As far as I was concerned, it was Tom Baker in all those Jon Pertwee Doctor Who books I read. |
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So if the copyright holder signed a contract with a publisher for X years, the copyright holder can withdraw publication rights (no new copies can be produced/sold)?
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Depends entirely on the specifics of the contract the rights holder signed with the publisher, I should think.
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In such a case a child of Chinese descent might be pleased to see that their culture has been included in a Dr. Seuss book. And once again, as the times changed, the yellow skin colour and the queue were removed from the figure in question. |
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We have three - Mulberry, Zebra, and Scrambled. They remain in excellent condition, unlike many of our other Seusses. Just one datapoint from one child's life.
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'Banned' Dr. Seuss Books Delisted on eBay After Selling for Thousands
I wonder why ebay has taken the draconian step of of banning the relevant books from its marketplace. Should the said Seuss books be banned from ebay? Would simply adding a content warning suffice? |
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