best format for complete photo book in given quality and feature list / KDP

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Quoth

We call it poo, but not Pooh, because that's a name, not just used by the bear.

Or USA calling the toilet room / loo etc the Bathroom? It sounds SO funny when a USA visitor asks for the Bathroom. Forty years ago people here would have been baffled.

But it sounds funny asking for the loo because Lou is a name.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by knightrider247

I had to look whether I am still in the right thread. :-)
To all whom it may interest: I uploaded two test versions of photobooks to KDP

Version 1: Self "programmed" EPUB as you guys advised me
Version 2): Comic created with the old(!) version of the Comic Creator (MOBI)

Regarding version 1:
-it works
-it has the margins on all the devices I own (Kindle App, Paperwhite) ... I mean ... if I double tap they disappear
-the listing on Amazon does not say with what devices it is compatible

Regarding Version 2:
-works just like the one of the example I once shared - but no panel view (I guess I didnt see that option)
-the listing states with what devices this is compatible

(snip list)


Now my question:
Is it correct to assume that the listing where it does not state with what devices it is compatible is with more devices compatible than the other one?
(in short: is it correct to conclude that version 1 is compatible with more devices than version 2)

Yes. Amazon's "compatible with..." listings appear inclusive, but they are actually exclusive.

I know I know ... that is what you guys have been saying all along ...

Yes. Although the ComicCreator does have more "compatibility" than pretty much any other form of Fixed-layout. It's simply because it's much older. If you use the Comic Creator option of Kindle Create, for example, the compatibility list is much, MUCH shorter. I don't know why Amazon went in that direction; believe me, I wish that they had not.

Anyway ... I think I have a pretty good workflow with the single html files in Calibre in order to create the EPUB. And it is a good feeling to exactly know what is going on ...

Thank you!
Knightrider

Good.

Hitch

[Turtle91]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

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I prefer US style dates. But I do thing computer dates are best. 2021-01-28 is the best format for a date. That should be used worldwide....

lol


So, to which date would 2021-03-06 refer; March 6th, or June 3rd??? That's easy to answer if the day is after the 12th...


I prefer the format: 5 Jun 2021


No ambiguity....everyone knows exactly what day you mean...and all the even somewhat current software can interpret the month into a number.

[Tex2002ans]

Originally Posted by Hitch

(warning! rantiness by yours truly forthcoming

[...]

I mean, you can say 'poop' in front of church ladies, but god forbid you say s**t. Why? You can scream "intercourse you!" all you want and even to some extent, "screw you!," but the other? Eff you? Oh, nooooo, that's "bad."

See fantastic video:

Vsauce: "Why Are Bad Words Bad?"

PS. To Jellby (my best buddy):

Why you no answer my PMs? I got some Spanish ebook questions I need answers to! (And other stuff.)

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I prefer US style dates. But I do thing computer dates are best. 2021-01-28 is the best format for a date. That should be used worldwide.

Of course. YYYY-MM-DD is the superior date system! Also sorts alphabetically in chronological order.

Don't you remember the last tangent date/time discussion back in 2020?

Post #38: "Alternate glyph support (font-variant-alternates)"

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

Is that what the UK store FCUK is up to?

Only for some people. Isn't it French Connection?
But maybe because it's not called FCIRL in Ireland.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Turtle91

So, to which date would 2021-03-06 refer; March 6th, or June 3rd??? That's easy to answer if the day is after the 12th...

I prefer the format: 5 Jun 2021

No-one anywhere uses YYYY-dd-MM, only YYYY-MM-dd, also like hours & minutes or angles or any other quantity it's in the most to least order.
Also YYYY-MM-dd sorts properly.

YYYY-MM-dd *IS* used worldwide. It's an ISO standard!

Does anyone other than USA use MM-dd, MM-dd-YY and MM-dd-YYYY? Less than 13% of the world's population.
Also even USA credit cards are MM/YY, so the USA date format makes no sense.

5 Jun 2021

Only works in a small number of languages, though certainly unambiguous. Also needs a custom sort.

[Turtle91]

Originally Posted by Quoth

Only works in a small number of languages, though certainly unambiguous. Also needs a custom sort.

I thought we were talking about opinions here.... lol


If we do things strictly by population then we all need to break out our Mandarin dictionaries...and to be a complete "ugly American" - the whole world should be speaking English and using Imperial units!!




...although, most (decent) software natively supports sorting the month as well....

edit:
I just wanted to make sure people understood that I was joking... I hate imperial units...

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...and I've studied multiple languages - dont speak them too good - but I've studied

...and I absolutely love Ireland - been there a few times and enjoyed it immensely.

[Tex2002ans]

Originally Posted by Quoth

No-one anywhere uses YYYY-dd-MM, only YYYY-MM-dd, also like hours & minutes or angles or any other quantity it's in the most to least order.

Also YYYY-MM-dd sorts properly.

YYYY-MM-dd *IS* used worldwide. It's an ISO standard!

Does anyone other than USA use MM-dd, MM-dd-YY and MM-dd-YYYY? Less than 13% of the world's population.

There's a map for that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

As you can clearly see, *insert your favorite color* is the only/best/greatest/superior/correct choice!

[Quoth]

Baffled that they differentiate UK and Ireland.

Green is lovely herby colour.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by Turtle91

lol


So, to which date would 2021-03-06 refer; March 6th, or June 3rd??? That's easy to answer if the day is after the 12th...


I prefer the format: 5 Jun 2021


No ambiguity....everyone knows exactly what day you mean...and all the even somewhat current software can interpret the month into a number.

mixing name and numbers will not sort properly. Starting with year is always followed with month and then day, meaning it will sort.

[Quoth]

Though maybe adding 10,000 to the year is an idea?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar

So it's 12021-02-03 today.

No arguing about CE vs AD.

Other calendars are available. It's not true that the UK is reverting to the Julian, though they were rather late switching to the Gregorian. Chinese and Jews have had more goes at it to synchronise the Solar and Lunar systems. Ancient Romans ran Etruscan 8 day week and almost everyone else's 7 day week in parallel for quite a while.
Ancient Celts (Europe Wide, not present remnants) had 13 months as it sort of fits a little better. Gives 28 day months. The Ancient Babylonians started with that which is why there are actually 13 Zodiac signs, not 12. But they decided that though the year is longer than 360 days, that numbers like 12, 24, 20 and 60 work better than 13. Probably 12s, 20s, 24s, 60s and 360 for a circle are all Babylonian ideas, including Zero. Hence months, days, hours, minutes, seconds. UK Pounds, Shillings and Pence. Dozens and Scores. They also had a reasonable idea of the size of the Earth. The Flat Earth idea was Victorian propaganda aimed at the Church of England. No-one educated before then had ever seriously considered it. Ancient Chinese also had estimates for the size of the Earth. As well as later Greeks.
People objected to Columbus because they thought Japan was too far for the food and water of the ships. Not because they thought he'd sail off the edge. That was a myth invented much later. Likely his real plan all along was to chart the Americas because Vineland was known in Vatican records (Greenland tithe reports), which is Newfoundland.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

mixing name and numbers will not sort properly. Starting with year is always followed with month and then day, meaning it will sort.

You mean day last?

Opps, sorry about that, yes day is always last unless there is time as well.

[Turtle91]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

mixing name and numbers will not sort properly. Starting with year is always followed with month and then day, meaning it will sort.

As I mentioned earlier, any decent software would be able to natively interpret the MMM or MMMM into a numerical value and perform proper sorting.


Here is an example - 2nd column is the first column sorted.


Regardless, as Tex' link shows, there are multiple methods throughout the world. Even if there is an ISO "standard", the world isn't following it.

03 Feb 2021 leaves no confusion for anyone... that has a rudimentary acquaintance with the Gregorian calendar... which is used in most the world.

Just my .02


edit: I'm not actually trying to convince anyone to change to my preferred format. I just prefer that format (we were talking about preferences)...I've used it for the last @$*! years and have never had anyone question which day I meant. That only started when people tried to change to DMY or YMD or, when they get it wrong YDM....

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by Turtle91

As I mentioned earlier, any decent software would be able to natively interpret the MMM or MMMM into a numerical value and perform proper sorting.


Here is an example - 2nd column is the first column sorted.


Regardless, as Tex' link shows, there are multiple methods throughout the world. Even if there is an ISO "standard", the world isn't following it.

03 Feb 2021 leaves no confusion for anyone... that has a rudimentary acquaintance with the Gregorian calendar... which is used in most the world.

Just my .02


edit: I'm not actually trying to convince anyone to change to my preferred format. I just prefer that format (we were talking about preferences)...I've used it for the last @$*! years and have never had anyone question which day I meant. That only started when people tried to change to DMY or YMD or, when they get it wrong YDM....

The problem is the rest of the world doesn't speak English so the month names are not the same as ours. The rest of the world put year first much earlier that the US did. Possibly it was always that way when they adopted the numerals.

Dale

[Turtle91]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

The problem is the rest of the world doesn't speak English so the month names are not the same as ours. The rest of the world put year first much earlier that the US did. Possibly it was always that way when they adopted the numerals.

Dale

I'm really NOT trying to be an "ugly American" here... But I was very surprised throughout my travels around this globe (sorry flat-earthers I'm living proof the world is round) at how many people were familiar with English...and not just in passing, but able to make themselves understood. They were WAY more adept at English than I was at their language. The big thing about that statement is that I've been to 150+ countries on 6 continents (still trying to get Antarctica but the chances are looking dim) and in EVERY one of them the people we came into contact with were at least somewhat proficient in English. That blew my mind! I know that doesn't mean EVERYONE understands English, but those involved with commerce, travel, computers, etc. all could make themselves understood....and could certainly understand "January", "March", etc.

Also, we aren't talking requirements here. We are talking "preferences". My preference is for "dd mmm yyyy". I'll let the next generation try and force all the different countries to adopt the ISO standard....but I think it should get in line behind universal adoption of the metric system, and (a fixed version of) ePub as the only book format!!