Kindle firmware version 5.10.3

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by barryem

Ebooks are something new and I'm not sure we've fully embraced them yet.

Yes. And the option to not show any progress is the biggest advantage of ebooks over pbooks.

[Pjama]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Yes. And the option to not show any progress is the biggest advantage of ebooks over pbooks.

Well, that is true. I love to hide my progress when I’m reading a Patricia Highsmith or similar and I don’t want to have any idea when it’s going to end!

[Almamida]

I think I would like the idea of a discrete progression bar, or even the same dots they use on the list view.

Other than that, any feedback on how this updates run on devices? I've read the page turn is faster on the last Oasis. I wonder if other models are impacted.

[Ruskie_it]

Originally Posted by Almamida

I think I would like the idea of a discrete progression bar, or even the same dots they use on the list view.

Other than that, any feedback on how this updates run on devices? I've read the page turn is faster on the last Oasis. I wonder if other models are impacted.

I have a PW4 (with Jb). I don't see this improvement: it was blazingly fast before, it is blazingly fast after.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by rcentros

I agree that it would be nice if Amazon implemented this as an option, but I find that the page#/total-page-count format a bit frustrating. I realize it's impossible, but if the page numbers somehow correlated with the screen, I would like this format. As it is, my favorite format is minutes left in the chapter and the percentage on the right side. At a glance I can see how far along I am within the book, plus I know about how long I have to finish a chapter (whether I have to stop or if I can finish that chapter before putting the Kindle down).

if Kobo can do pages left in chapter then so can Amazon. it's the reason why my Kobo is my preferred ereader over my basic Kindle.

and yes it really is that important for me to have the choice.

best wishes koboy

[Almamida]

Originally Posted by Ruskie_it

I have a PW4 (with Jb). I don't see this improvement: it was blazingly fast before, it is blazingly fast after.

Thank you
I receive my PW4 today, I don't plan to jailbreak it. I'll see if there is a difference.
I wait to update the Voyage.

[barryem]

Originally Posted by Almamida

I think I would like the idea of a discrete progression bar, or even the same dots they use on the list view.

Other than that, any feedback on how this updates run on devices? I've read the page turn is faster on the last Oasis. I wonder if other models are impacted.

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The only difference I've noticed with the new update is better battery life. I probably wouldn't notice faster page turns.

Barry

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Futuregrace

How about the bottom of kindle says
On left “pg 150 of 301”
On the right “50%”

Page numbers are as useless as % on a Kindle. Page numbers are an arbitrary number made to fit into an eBook. So with 301 as the ending page number, you still don't have any idea how long the book is. You can have multiple books with 301 and they aren't the same pages.

Now if Amazon used ADE style page numbers or page numbers where each page was one screen., you would eventually get used to them and have an idea how long the book is and then the % would be of more use.

However, not have any indication how far along you are can be a good thing. When you know how far along you are, you can know certain things will soon happen (depending ont he type of book being read).

[newkindlefun]

Well, since we're talking preferences, I'm for word count along with percentage finished l. It shows both the real length of the book and how much you've read. That seems about the most accurate thing out there. I'm quite used to understanding book length in terms of word count and I'm sure those who aren't, would be soon enough.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by Pjama

This was the best system, remember it?

Yep. I still like my Kindle 3 and 4? (no-touch, black) partly because of this feature.

[Atunah]

Originally Posted by Pjama

This was the best system, remember it? And it gave me an incentive to read as much as I could in one sitting, as the little start arrow from the start of your reading session stayed in place until the screensaver kicked in. An excellent, simple visual representation of where you are in a book. I wish they had kept it, at least as an option.

You are not alone. I have had kindles since the first the K1 and up to now the Oasis2. And I still miss this feature. I too wish they would add it as an option in the menu. Wouldn't bother anyone, just another toggle between locations, time left, pages and progress bar. I have written kindle feedback multiple times over the years asking for it. Oh well. And yes, you could actually see how much you read as you progressed with the arrow. It was and still is brilliant in its simplicity to give all that info in one long line. Chapter dots. I could see right there how far away I was from a chapter.

Now I use pages or time left in book. Neither of them is as satisfying as the progress bar though. Whenever I take out my basic with buttons to charge it I go and read on it just so I can experience the progress bar and the nice screen with super contrast. Daytime only of course now with my eyes. And those are also still my preferred buttons on the side too.

Lately I been having issues again with time left in book not sticking. It used to work always for my, until a few updates ago. Was always spot on. Now I keep having to reset it no matter what type of book I read. No rhyme or reason to it. And many books for some reason do not have a page number.

Considering that having anything down there you always have at least 2 items, the progress bar wouldn't fill out anymore than that really.

[Dropout]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Page numbers are as useless as % on a Kindle. Page numbers are an arbitrary number made to fit into an eBook. So with 301 as the ending page number, you still don't have any idea how long the book is. You can have multiple books with 301 and they aren't the same pages.

Now if Amazon used ADE style page numbers or page numbers where each page was one screen., you would eventually get used to them and have an idea how long the book is and then the % would be of more use.

However, not have any indication how far along you are can be a good thing. When you know how far along you are, you can know certain things will soon happen (depending ont he type of book being read).

Page numbers aren't arbitrary. They are based off an ISBN paper copy (ASIN on Amazon). It's for reference purposes. So I can say I am on page 210 and someone else, if their edition matches, can find the same passage. This is helpful to those studying a book. It's not perfect of course but will get you within paragraphs at worst.

Your method of page number is one screen would only be useful for percentage purposes (maybe). It's otherwise confusing to say I'm on page 57, because that will also depend on your font, font size, boldness, margins, and line spacing. Someone else's page 57 may be in a drastically different location. Or if I decide 1/4 of the way through to change any page layout settings. It's why locations are still a good idea (I believe ADE is similar). They are completely static from one Kindle Book to the next and they are far more exact at matching than a book's page numbers. Plays use line number, for instance, so no matter the edition the exact location can be found.

The once screen equals one page also doesn't account for indexes, appendices, preview chapters of the next book, afterwords, etc. That's a problem with any book really. A regular book might suddenly conclude because there's a lot of extra material at the end.

Ultimately, if I'm on page 150 of 300 I have a good idea how much longer the book is going to take me to read (Time Left has been largely useless to me). I sort of miss the permanent location bar, but the one that appears in Page Flip view helps me a little.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Dropout

Page numbers aren't arbitrary. They are based off an ISBN paper copy (ASIN on Amazon). It's for reference purposes. So I can say I am on page 210 and someone else, if their edition matches, can find the same passage. This is helpful to those studying a book. It's not perfect of course but will get you within paragraphs at worst.

Your method of page number is one screen would only be useful for percentage purposes (maybe). It's otherwise confusing to say I'm on page 57, because that will also depend on your font, font size, boldness, margins, and line spacing. Someone else's page 57 may be in a drastically different location. Or if I decide 1/4 of the way through to change any page layout settings. It's why locations are still a good idea (I believe ADE is similar). They are completely static from one Kindle Book to the next and they are far more exact at matching than a book's page numbers. Plays use line number, for instance, so no matter the edition the exact location can be found.

The once screen equals one page also doesn't account for indexes, appendices, preview chapters of the next book, afterwords, etc. That's a problem with any book really. A regular book might suddenly conclude because there's a lot of extra material at the end.

Ultimately, if I'm on page 150 of 300 I have a good idea how much longer the book is going to take me to read (Time Left has been largely useless to me). I sort of miss the permanent location bar, but the one that appears in Page Flip view helps me a little.

the one screen = one page is extremely useful to me (on an individual basis) because it allows me to roughly calculate how much longer (time) it will take me to read the current chapter.

each to their own. usual disclaimer applies.

best wishes koboy

[barryem]

I think it's worth distinguishing between methods useful for reading and methods useful for studying. I mostly read novels and even when I read non-fiction I rarely have to look up references from a paper copy. Actually I don't think I've done that in the past quarter century. There was a time when I did but that was a long, long time ago.

The obvious answer is something like a reading mode and a study mode, or a reading version and a study version, or some such.

In the Kindle that might be added to the theme setting.

Barry

[droopy]

Originally Posted by cvkemp

I just updated my Oasis 2 and the only thing i am noticing is much faster responds on opening books, and page changes.

How much faster?

In my thread where I seek advice in my search for my very first ereader, several people (yep, that's two different links) told me that ereaders have been breezy since no later than 2011.