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Yes, she is condemned to death by the vigilantes mostly on suspicion of misdeeds rather than because of any clear evidence. The only exception I think is her killing of Constance, and that was pure vindictiveness, so harder to forgive.
I can't remember now if there was proof that it was she who sent D'Artagnan the poisoned wine, though we do know she sent assassins to polish him off. When you think of what D'Artagnan did to her, there was a certain amount of provocation. I agree with you issybird on Clytemnestra - plenty of provocation there too. |
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Well, yes. But it was a great ride. I'd have loved to see her triumph once more - if only she had pushed on a little farther! There are echoes of the flight to Varennes where if only the royal family hadn't dawdled so, they might have made it. And as I said, Buckingham was portrayed as mostly a good guy and he ended up just as dead. (Well, he had to, as that's what happened.)
She didn't have much choice when it came to Constance, in order to save her own skin. If Constance hadn't swooned at the critical moment (those women and their fainting fits!), Milady would have hauled her along. And as you pointed out somewhere upthread, Bookpossum, Constance did have to be killed off. It was hard to see her as moral when she was a married woman. |
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I'm really sorry we had to read this particular Dumas. His others are not as bad, if my memory serves me correctly. In fact, I quite enjoyed both The Count of Monte Cristo and The Man in the Iron Mask when I read them many years ago. |
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I'm with issybird in that I quite enjoyed it, accepting all it's many flaws. I certainly didn't hate it like some here seem to. It helped to listen to it, I think, rather than read it myself. I thought that much of the time Dumas was trying for humour or irony, even if it didn't always succeed, and incidents like D'Artagnan selling his horse didn't bother me at all. You give a kid something in the expectation that they will do with it as they will, in my experience.
And I may be alone in being the only one who cheered Milady's death. Yes, she was undoubtedly the best character in the book, and the story only really took off once she appeared, but her murder of the put-upon Constance, so unnecessary, was what did it for me. She richly deserved her fate. Last edited by orlok; 06-21-2018 at 11:37 AM. |
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Let us also not forget that throughout the entire book, the "romantic" comings and goings of the boys are great merriment, are they not? Isn't it just hilarious, how they betray their lovers, get them to steal for them, fool them into thinking that they're well-loved, but are merely used and discarded, sans any thought of consequence? It's just such a kick, right? Ho-ho-ho, so clever of Porthos, to fool his simpering, foolish mistress into stealing those jewels! (or whatever it was, can't remember now). So, Milady deserves to be branded, to be hung, for basically doing the same thing--having an affair with a priest, whom she convinces to steal the chalices--while the lads are heroes and jolly good fellows, boys being boys, for doing exactly the same rollicking, fun things???? "Hale fellow, well met, let's go string up the b**ch!" Quote:
Sure, she kills Constance. No argument. She deserves to die for that. But in terms of the rest? She's living in a time frame when a woman's choices in life were marriage, convent, prostitution. She's doing what she can, to stay alive and NOT be a street prossy. I don't approve of her killing of poor Constance, of course--but she definitely gets the short end of the stick, throughout, repeatedly, and D'artagnan is hardly blameless in this. I don't think that there's a way to write a female-centric retelling that gets Milady off the hook on the Constance angle--I don't see a "Mists of Avalon" version of TTM emerging anytime soon. Unless you significantly change the boys themselves, and turn them into decent human beings--which is, let's face it, more than a "retelling," and show Constance's alleged poisoning to be something else, NOT at the feed of LdW, which is not possible without just throwing over the book completely...you can't get there from here. By this time, any shreds of humanity remaining in LdW are pretty thoroughly stamped out. She does murder Constance in cold blood, just to revenge herself upon D'Artagnan. That is unforgiveable, in any environment. But I suspect that most people, having been dealt the cards that Milady was dealt, might be pretty damn blackhearted by that point, too. Oh, well. Back to work, for me. Enough fun yammering about the 4 Sociopaths and their "pranks." Hitch |
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In Milady's version, the musketeers are the criminals and they lie about Constance's death--perhaps she dies accidentally, perhaps she stays in the convent. They lie about Milady's execution because they are embarrassed that she outwitted them. Okay, maybe it's more a reinvention than a retelling, but since the musketeers are already clearly a pack of thugs, why believe their story? All that's needed is to turn up their deceit and lawlessness a little bit more. |
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Well, yes--if we change the story rather extremely, sure. I was thinking more that we had to color within the lines, (somehat like MoA), but what the hell? Why not? As you say, the boys are hardly such paragons of virtue that their rendition of the story is beyond reproach. :-) Hitch |
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