Adobe Digital Editions 3.0 released

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by Akshayy

I saw the download page for Sony pc reader. It says RMSDK 9.1!
If sony pushes an update with rmsdk 10, then all books from sony pc reader will use new drm!
I think sony would update all their devices, readers in one go! So that you could transfer between devices.

Do you think Sony will update the PSR-T1, which is now two generations old? Or... the PSR-500, 505, 700... readers that are up to 7-8 years old, but are still in use?

Look around these forums, and you'll see that many people still use old readers. The reasons can be diverse: the older Sony's can run unofficial third party firmware extensions, which are so good that many users hang on to these readers. There are many reasons for many people to hang on to old readers. I know one person who still uses his old iRex Illiad because it uses a Wacom digitizer and stylus. There are not many readers that have that option.

[DiapDealer]

Seems to be quite a bit of FUD being spread around here.

In my experience, there is absolutely no change in the DRM scheme provided with ADE 3.0 UNLESS the seller has updated to CS5. Regardless of whether it's a new purchase or a re-download of an older purchase. And currently, the version of ADE that you use when you FIRST download the ebook has no relevance whatsoever (yet) that I can discern.

I just went to Kobo and bought a brand-spanking new, Adobe DRMed ePub, downloaded the ascm file, opened/fulfilled it (for the very first time) with Adobe 3.0 (registered to my usual AdobeID). I verified that I could indeed read the ePub using ADE 3.0.

I then copied that ePub file (DRM still intact, mind you), to a machine that only had ADE 2.0 installed (and registered to the same AdobeID), and verified that I could read the DRMed ePub. Yes... I could. It worked. I expected it to.

Then I transferred that same DRMed ePub (first downloaded using ADE 3.0) to a mobile device that had an ePub reader based on Adobe's RMSDK 9.3.3 (registered once again to my standard AdobeID) to see if I could read it there. The answer was yes, yes I could. Not surprised.

I have no doubt that things might change once resellers/libraries/whathaveyou start using Content Server 5 for fulfillment. But until such time, I don't think there's reason for panic.

[Lynx-lynx]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

If that next update is going to use the ADE 3.0 DRM and you don't want that, then this is indeed correct.



Can Sony Readers (the device, not the program) download an EPUB, when you put the ASCM on the reader?

In that case, it will keep downloading EPUBs with the old DRM, until Sony updates the device. Then, you'd either not update, or wouldn't use it to download the EPUB.

Why do you use Sony Reader? My suggestion would be to just use ADE 2.x as long as it will run, and then Alf your books. Upload to the reader using Calibre.



ADE 3.x uses a new encryption scheme. This will make all readers and applications available today incompatible with books downloaded with ADE 3.x.

That's all there is to it.

I only use Sony Reader for PC to download books directly from booksellers sites because it works flawlessly

ADE was such a problem to use, it didn't accept me for one reason or another or just faulted. I haven't used them to download an epub for maybe 3 years. I avoid them by using Reader for PC. (And that goes for borrowing library ebooks as well)

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I have no doubt that things might change once resellers/libraries/whathaveyou start using Content Server 5 for fulfillment. But until such time, I don't think there's reason for panic.

As you don't have control over the change to Content Server 5 and it could happen at any time, there is every reason for panic.

I don't want to find out that a seller has migrated to CS5 and forced the new DRM to be used AFTER I download the 31 EPUBs of my last buying spree.

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

ADE 3.x uses a new encryption scheme. This will make all readers and applications available today incompatible with books downloaded with ADE 3.x.

That's all there is to it.

What's different with the new encryption?

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

As you don't have control over the change to Content Server 5 and it could happen at any time, there is every reason for panic.

Whatever. You wanna panic ... panic. I won't get in your way. The fact remains that there was misinformation being spread in this thread. People need to slow down.

ADE 3.0 CAN use a new encryption scheme. It doesn't seem to be doing that without CS5 fulfillment.

[Lynx-lynx]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Seems to be quite a bit of FUD being spread around here.

In my experience, there is absolutely no change in the DRM scheme provided with ADE 3.0 UNLESS the seller has updated to CS5. Regardless of whether it's a new purchase or a re-download of an older purchase. And currently, the version of ADE that you use when you FIRST download the ebook has no relevance whatsoever (yet) that I can discern.

I just went to Kobo and bought a brand-spanking new, Adobe DRMed ePub, downloaded the ascm file, opened/fulfilled it (for the very first time) with Adobe 3.0 (registered to my usual AdobeID). I verified that I could indeed read the ePub using ADE 3.0.

I then copied that ePub file (DRM still intact, mind you), to a machine that only had ADE 2.0 installed (and registered to the same AdobeID), and verified that I could read the DRMed ePub. Yes... I could. It worked. I expected it to.

Then I transferred that same DRMed ePub (first downloaded using ADE 3.0) to a mobile device that had an ePub reader based on Adobe's RMSDK 9.3.3 (registered once again to my standard AdobeID) to see if I could read it there. The answer was yes, yes I could. Not surprised.

I have no doubt that things might change once resellers/libraries/whathaveyou start using Content Server 5 for fulfillment. But until such time, I don't think there's reason for panic.

Thank you

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Whatever. You wanna panic ... panic. I won't get in your way. The fact remains that there was misinformation being spread in this thread. People need to slow down.

ADE 3.0 CAN use a new encryption scheme. It doesn't seem to be doing that without CS5 fulfillment.

The fact that it can, will cause someone to make it do just that, and then it will cause problems with the downloads from that source. As long as ADE 2.x works, that is what I'll be using, because ADE 3.x behaviour will be unpredictable, as it depends on the source the EPUB is coming from.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

Perhaps you could learn to express your opinions with a little respect and temperance, rather than in laughing?

Don't be too grumpy. I suspect that English is not his first language, and he is new to the forum.

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by Fbone

I'm confused. What actually changed DRM-wise in ADE 3.0?

ADEPT encryption relied on a single embedded encryption key per authorized device or app. All files intended for that device/app used the same key. And each ADE installation used one key.

The new drm apparently allows for multiple encryption passes and per file keys.
How it gets implemented remains to be seen but the possibility of per-file encryption suggests you might need to authenticate each file individually every time it is downloaded to a device or ADE installation, not just when it is downloaded from the store to the PC. Layered encryption might require a live internet connection for authentication the first time a file is opened for reading.

Conceivably, a file might need three authentications with three different single-use keys to get it to open for the first time.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Akshayy

First let me tell you this, If a user buys a book or has brought a book in the past, he/she must be able read the book no matter what, it does not matter new drm or old drm or no drm. Its just stupid to prevent a legit user from reading a book .

I completely agree with you there, but that is what any DRM scheme does in the end. I've certainly lost ebooks (only a few, fortunately) due to DRM schemes becoming obsolete. I know of several ADE users who lost access to their books because of not authorising their ADE 2.0 installation with an Adobe ID.

Originally Posted by Akshayy

New DRM works with Content Server 4.2 also. Existing content server. It depends on which RMSDK version is used to open the book for the first time. ADE 3.0 uses RMSDK 10, ADE 2.0 Uses RMSDK 9.3.3, all old readers use RMSDK 9.3.x

That's interesting. Thanks. I think it must be optional or perhaps 4.2 isn't in wide use yet, because I've tested with download a new ebook wit ADE 3.0 and it still used the old DRM scheme.

Originally Posted by Akshayy

Content Server 5 has the option the ENFORCE new DRM. I don't think anybody will start enforcing right away.

I agree that seems unlikely, but it's obviously the intention. But I'm hoping that publishers come to their senses before that and drop DRM altogether.

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

ADE 3.0 CAN use a new encryption scheme. It doesn't seem to be doing that without CS5 fulfillment.

Or, apparently with CS4.2 as an option.

I agree that there's no need to panic. I am concerned that this is going to cause an awful lot of confusion for customers once ADE 3.0 DRMed ebooks do start getting downloaded.

[GVC2031]

Did I miss something here? When I go to Adobe, the only version of ADE I can find to download is 2.0.1. Do I have the wrong link?

[Mivo]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Whatever. You wanna panic ... panic. I won't get in your way. The fact remains that there was misinformation being spread in this thread. People need to slow down.

The core information is that at any point in the future, vendors like Kobobooks could suddenly switch to the new encryption format, which may or may not make it impossible to disinfect new purchases (or old ones that are not yet downloaded). For me, this (and the consequences it implies) is a "biggie". When that happens, and it sounds more like a "when" than an "if", I'll have to rethink how and where I buy ebooks.

For me, it's not about panicking, but about getting really, really tired of this industry's focus on battling with the very people who hand them money. It's not just DRM, but also stuff like online activation and further developments of the same kind. The music industry managed to "get" this eventually. Publishers, book sellers and Adobe/Apple/etc however seem to move in the opposite direction.

As a customer, I'm increasingly tiring of swimming upstream.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by GVC2031

Did I miss something here? When I go to Adobe, the only version of ADE I can find to download is 2.0.1. Do I have the wrong link?

It may not have rolled out to all the sites yet. I could see it at the US site but not the UK site.

[DiapDealer]

Anybody seen Jim Lester around here recently? Sure wouldn't mind hearing a bit of his input on all this.