Dilemma - Page 7

nekokami · 12-20-2007, 05:24 PM

Eh, I'm indifferent to key lime or blueberry. How about peach?

(Do we need a "pie" smiley now?)

TallMomof2 · 12-20-2007, 08:23 PM

Make mine low carb pie!

Steven Lyle Jordan · 12-20-2007, 08:24 PM

Boston creme for me.

vivaldirules · 12-20-2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You don't own an eink eReader. Nobody makes an eink device that reads eReader format books with DRM. So the issue if it's backlit or not is irrelevant as such a device exists only in some people's minds.

No, no, no, you don't understand, Jon. You see, the fonts are too small for me to read anything well at night when I turn all the lights off because my eink eReader isn't backlit and, besides, it clearly doesn't have enough DRM protections against evil ebook pirateers. This all has me in a tizzy. So.....can I have a piece of pie, please? I'd like mine with ice cream.

Alisa · 12-21-2007, 03:02 AM

Then obviously what you really need is my lemon cheesecake with gingersnap crust. To preserve the peace I'm sure it would be quite lovely topped with blueberries to appease Jon.

Steven Lyle Jordan · 12-21-2007, 09:59 AM

Can we add "have some pie" to the poll choices?

Say... did anyone bring the milk?

jasonkchapman · 12-21-2007, 10:26 AM

Is it too early to start a discussion about the evils of Dessert Recipe Management?

Steven Lyle Jordan · 12-21-2007, 11:21 AM

It may be too early at that... this thread is only half-baked now.

(Bada-bum-crash!)

nekokami · 12-21-2007, 05:35 PM

That lemon cheesecake with gingersnap crust sounds yummy (sans blueberries).

I had some more prosaic cheesecake last night with ginger preserves on top and it was pretty good, too.

Alan · 01-03-2008, 03:38 AM

Back to the topic again:

I would go with option 2. Although I never used IRC (and probably never will) and so will never indulge in the depths of the darknet anyway, option 2 sounds to be a good way. You paid the author and the publisher and now make use of their product in your own way. I can see nothing wrong with that.

But I have a far more obvious question: Why are there still so many book titles not available as an ebook? I have the problem, too. I would love to read a three-books series published in 2006/2007 by Tyndale. But the third book is still not available as an ebook. I wrote to Tyndale asking about that but never got an answer.

A publisher can produce an ebook in minutes. I mean, what does it take anyway? The publisher has the text of the book. So he only has to do a little formatting. DRM is done by software or by the bookshop that sells the book over the internet. Compared with an actual paper book there are virtually no costs involved. So why are there still so many books on the market that are not being sold as ebooks? I don't get it. Does anyone?

Alan

astra · 01-03-2008, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan

But I have a far more obvious question: Why are there still so many book titles not available as an ebook? I have the problem, too. I would love to read a three-books series published in 2006/2007 by Tyndale. But the third book is still not available as an ebook. I wrote to Tyndale asking about that but never got an answer.
Alan

I believe you are luckier than me. Since you have the first 2 books out of three, it means that eventually you will get the last one.
Lets say if they consider Hardback editions as a first edition of a book and they publish ebooks at the same time as paperback editions, then the delay is understandable. Although I see no reason why not publish ebook at the same time as hardback edition with a higher price than it is going to be when paperback is published. For example $10 at the same time as hardback edition and $5 one year later when paperback edition is out.

nekokami · 01-03-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan

A publisher can produce an ebook in minutes. I mean, what does it take anyway? The publisher has the text of the book. So he only has to do a little formatting.

Surprisingly enough, most publishers don't seem to hang on to the electronic files of the book once the printing plates are made. It seems extremely bizarre, I know, but many publishers would be reduced to the same steps as the rest of us: cut apart a paper book, scan, OCR, and edit.

Unless they want to get a scan from someone who's already done this... e.g. from the darknet.

DMcCunney · 01-03-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan

A publisher can produce an ebook in minutes. I mean, what does it take anyway? The publisher has the text of the book. So he only has to do a little formatting. DRM is done by software or by the bookshop that sells the book over the internet. Compared with an actual paper book there are virtually no costs involved. So why are there still so many books on the market that are not being sold as ebooks? I don't get it. Does anyone?

Alan

I think you underestimate the work involved in putting out an ebook.

Assume the original manuscript is a Microsoft Word document. Then ask which ebook formats you want to issue the book in. PDF? LRF? AZW? Mobi? HTML? Something else?

Each is going to require modifications to the original manuscript to generate the ebook format, and I can almost guarantee that doing it right won't be the work of a few minutes.

Note that what the publisher sends to the printer isn't the Word document. Someone on the publisher's staff brings the Word document into Quark Express for typesetting and pagination. The printer will get a Quark file, or possibly a PDF to feed to their imagesetter that will generate the plates.
______
Dennis

6charlong · 01-04-2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

I think you underestimate the work involved in putting out an ebook.

Assume the original manuscript is a Microsoft Word document. Then ask which ebook formats you want to issue the book in. PDF? LRF? AZW? Mobi? HTML? Something else?

Each is going to require modifications to the original manuscript to generate the ebook format, and I can almost guarantee that doing it right won't be the work of a few minutes.

Dennis

Niko, supposing that the publisher doesn't have a digital copy of an edited book, I bet the author does.

I expect that soon enough, publishing houses trying to remain in the book business business will format publications using epub, then insist that eBook reader manufacturers supply them with a translator (from epub to a format readable by their device) if they want to have books published for it. And yes, a two-way Xpress translator (Xpress to epub and epub to Xpress) would be all good.

My point being that the tools to make ePublishing viable already exist or are within reach, and none of the problems are even very difficult or expensive. The barrier to moving book publishing into the 21st Century remains DRM.

AnemicOak · 01-04-2008, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6charlong

Niko, supposing that the publisher doesn't have a digital copy of an edited book, I bet the author does.

The author probably does, but with no version control in place the copy they have may not always be a copy with all of the final edits done to it.

View Poll Results: What would you do in a situation like that?
Forget about it.	10	13.16%
Buy paperbacks and download ebooks from darknet.	36	47.37%
Buy paperbacks, scan and OCR them (I live in the UK, scanning is illegal)	3	3.95%
Take out the books from the library so TOR gets no more of my money on pbooks	9	11.84%
Download from the darknet and don't pay for it.	18	23.68%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

01-03-2008, 03:38 AM	#100
Alan Connoisseur Posts: 55 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Cybook Gen3	Back to the topic again: I would go with option 2. Although I never used IRC (and probably never will) and so will never indulge in the depths of the darknet anyway, option 2 sounds to be a good way. You paid the author and the publisher and now make use of their product in your own way. I can see nothing wrong with that. But I have a far more obvious question: Why are there still so many book titles not available as an ebook? I have the problem, too. I would love to read a three-books series published in 2006/2007 by Tyndale. But the third book is still not available as an ebook. I wrote to Tyndale asking about that but never got an answer. A publisher can produce an ebook in minutes. I mean, what does it take anyway? The publisher has the text of the book. So he only has to do a little formatting. DRM is done by software or by the bookshop that sells the book over the internet. Compared with an actual paper book there are virtually no costs involved. So why are there still so many books on the market that are not being sold as ebooks? I don't get it. Does anyone? Alan Last edited by Alan; 01-03-2008 at 03:41 AM.

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12-20-2007, 05:24 PM	#91
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Eh, I'm indifferent to key lime or blueberry. How about peach? (Do we need a "pie" smiley now?)

12-20-2007, 08:23 PM	#92
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	Make mine low carb pie!

12-20-2007, 08:24 PM	#93
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	Boston creme for me.

12-21-2007, 03:02 AM	#95
Alisa Gadget Geek Posts: 2,324 Karma: 22221 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Paperwhite, Kindle 3 (retired), Skindle 1.2 (retired)	Then obviously what you really need is my lemon cheesecake with gingersnap crust. To preserve the peace I'm sure it would be quite lovely topped with blueberries to appease Jon.

12-21-2007, 09:59 AM	#96
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	Can we add "have some pie" to the poll choices? Say... did anyone bring the milk?

12-21-2007, 10:26 AM	#97
jasonkchapman Guru Posts: 767 Karma: 2347 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NYC Device: Sony Reader, nook, Droid, nookColor, nookTablet	Is it too early to start a discussion about the evils of Dessert Recipe Management?

12-21-2007, 11:21 AM	#98
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	It may be too early at that... this thread is only half-baked now. (Bada-bum-crash!)

12-21-2007, 05:35 PM	#99
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	That lemon cheesecake with gingersnap crust sounds yummy (sans blueberries). I had some more prosaic cheesecake last night with ginger preserves on top and it was pretty good, too.

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