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As for the whole being mindful of the times things, I disagree. Racism is racism, sexism is sexism, just because something was more open doesn't change its' nature. If it's wrong now, it was wrong then. I do think history shouldn't be "whitewashed" as it were. If things happened, they happened. Let them stand. |
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The fact that the oppressed people of the time were able to seperate the privileged man from the System doesn't make it harder to judge the System from our time. I don't think it's hard to judge another time at all. Only the details change, the story pretty much stays the same. |
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The only reason I brought it up at all is to point out that of course a book can be racist. |
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There were a lot of people who said that Amos and Andy was insulting to blacks; so many that it was taken off the air, including reruns. Then, a decade later black people and others began to realize that it was part of how whites began to perceive blacks as fully human. Some say that the foolish character of Kingfish was insulting to blacks. Another show around the same time, almost as popular a show for almost as long, both radio and TV, was The Life of Riley, and the main character was even more foolish. And then there was Archie Bunker? These things aren't stereotypes of blacks or of whites. They're mocking the foolishness in all of us in exaggerated fashion and it's good for us. Leaving blacks out of that is what would be insulting. What we're missing is a show with an oriental fool. We've had shows (Jack Benny) with Jewish fools. Barry |
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No, I did not watch the video. Why don't you ask any Black person what their historical opinon of blackface was? I'm sure you could perhaps find some old black man and tell him what you just told me. Quote:
You think that black people began to realize that somehow it was a mark of honour that whites made fun of black people and perpetuated racist stereotypes for the amusement of the privileged stepping on the oppressed?? Wow..really, just wow. Quote:
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Wow. Your unconscious racism actually hurts. I looked at you as if we were kindred spirits, myself when I got a bit older but I can see that's impossible. Those things are stereotypes of whites and blacks. Harmful ones that help the System. They aren't mocking the foolishness in all of us. They are programming you to think whites are superior and to program blacks to think that we were inferior. That is nothing to celebrate. First off, oriental is used to refer to rugs and vases, things, not people. Second off, there were tons of shows with Asian stereotypes. Always played by white people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examples_of_yellowface |
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I personally found The Turner Diaries to be an extremely illuminating and educational book. Very well written and clearly instructive and written by someone who was intelligent. |
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I'm not so sure. I'm picking up a certain apologist vibe. Oh, "it's just the product of their times" so it's ok if people were racists. No, it's not ok. Let it stand so people can see what the mentality was like but I can certainly judge regardless of the times. There are certain principles that stand.
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He cannot say that racism is never okay and should not be downplayed by the time they were written. And then turn around and say that The Turner Diaries are "well written and clearly instructive." Instructive to what? On what not to do?
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They (nor I) are not suggesting that the past be erased/banned/censured because of racism, but accepting that racism used to be more "mainstream" is a far cry from giving it a free pass (sign of the times, and all). It was still wrong. The idea that past works can't be judged by today's standards doesn't acually hold water. Readers do it all the time. But just because we're capable of condemning past works because of overt racism doesn't mean we're suggesting that no one should ever read them. |
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I thought this was an interesting idea (although they could struggle to get entries).
Prize Launched for Thrillers That Don't Involve Violence Against Women Of course, there's also the Women In Refrigerators and the Bechdel Test. I've never looked at movies or books the same way after finding out about the Bechdel Test. |
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Long before the slave trade between the New World and Africa people were blacking up for all kinds of reasons. The mummers in the UK, whose traditions go back to the time of the crusades, had at least one blacked up character. I would also point out that in black cultures during certain ceremonies they "white up" and were doing so before they had contact with "white people". Is this insulting to "white people". I suggest that intent is what is important here, the hypersensitive politically correct thought police should go to a very warm place. |
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