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Old 03-12-2010, 05:25 PM   #76
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So what we need to do is come up with a word that means obtaining a copy of a digital file without paying for it. I'm not going to call this copyright infringement because if that's what it is then what is copyright infringement needs to be changed so this (in effect) is called some form of theft.
That seems a little circular. What's wrong with "copyright infringement", exactly?
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So what we need to do is come up with a word that means obtaining a copy of a digital file without paying for it. I'm not going to call this copyright infringement because if that's what it is then what is copyright infringement needs to be changed so this (in effect) is called some form of theft.
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Google guilty of copyright infringement in France
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8420876.stm

Case opened three years ago, and Google's continuation to scan in the interim seems to be the big issue.

EUR 300k fine rather than Herve de La Martiniere's original demands of EUR 15m.

Further EUR 10k fine per day until the previews are down.

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What Google were not found guilty of is theft.
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I think that we need several words for different situations, so here's my proposal:

1. Obtaining a copy which is unavailable legitimately: snaffle or snarf
2. Obtaining a copy which is available, and which you have no copy of in an alternative medium: piracy hence pirate a copy
3. Making a copy of a pbook by obtaining a darknet copy: tenebroreticulography
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That seems a little circular. What's wrong with "copyright infringement", exactly?
It doesn't fit the act wrt new digital media.
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So what we need to do is come up with a word that means obtaining a copy of a digital file without paying for it.
Unauthorised Copying

(and you are so lucky blink tags don't work!)

And yes, I'm quite aware you evidently hate the concept of copyright so much you want a comprehensive private copy exemption, but some of us actually like copyright and would like to preserve it.

Ben - When you get "tenebroreticulography" into a dictionary I'm going to care. Until then, it's going to reflect on everything you post as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:18 PM   #81
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Ben - When you get "tenebroreticulography" into a dictionary I'm going to care. Until then, it's going to reflect on everything you post as far as I'm concerned.
What do you mean? Did you miss my invisible <irony> tags - or did you think that I really thought that it would catch on!?
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What do you mean? Did you miss my invisible <irony> tags - or did you think that I really thought that it would catch on!?
It must be that dry Engrish Wit.
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What do you mean? Did you miss my invisible <irony> tags - or did you think that I really thought that it would catch on!?
I think we should add an exception to copyright that says if you can say tenebroreticulography 10 times quickly on the witness stand, they automatically find you not guilty.
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I think we should add an exception to copyright that says if you can say tenebroreticulography 10 times quickly on the witness stand, they automatically find you not guilty.
I'd vote for that!
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What law? Fair use maybe?



It is stealing. So yeah, it will coming up, you might as well surrender, you will be assimilated.
I think you accidentally agreed with me. You might want to edit your post

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I think you accidentally agreed with me. You might want to edit your post

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Wait, no, couldn't of.

Hey even DawnFalcon and I agreed on something once.
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A EULA is a Licence. Those are contracts.
But is is a valid contract if the EULA is trying to do away with fair use?
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Unauthorised Copying

(and you are so lucky blink tags don't work!)

And yes, I'm quite aware you evidently hate the concept of copyright so much you want a comprehensive private copy exemption, but some of us actually like copyright and would like to preserve it.
Copyright is such a mess at present. It doesn't take into account things it needs to take into account. And the fact that Disney can manipulate copyright so easily make copyright almost useless.

I don't hate copyright. But copyright isn't working for the digital age. It's founded in paper and corporations. It needs to be founded on content that is media neutral and stay away from corporations.
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What do you mean? Did you miss my invisible <irony> tags - or did you think that I really thought that it would catch on!?
I really, really dislike attempts to directly push new words in general. Either a word catches on because you use it, or it doesn't. Attempts to deliberately define the language is one of the reasons why we're speaking English, not French.
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But is is a valid contract if the EULA is trying to do away with fair use?
Most EULA's in Europe are a waste of the electrons used to display them, yea.

And while copyright is a mess, a strong non-commercial copying exemption as sought by the Piratepartys would rip a large chunk out of the market. I don't disagree change is needed, but that one isn't the right sort of change.

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