iPad Ipad is not an ereader, the display is not for reading - Page 6

ColdSun · 03-08-2010, 01:49 AM

I love a lot of things about the iPad, and don't like a few other things. I see a lot of comments about the screen and flash, but I have a few folks should think about...

As a music player I hate Apple products because I hate iTunes. It is slow and I hate converting my music to their proprietary format. I'll put up with that due to the nice screen technology and other features, but it is my first negative on the product. I listen to music quite a bit during my travel (of which I do a lot due to my job). I know people love iPods and iTouch, but the only thing I like about them is their screen. I might be one of the few people who likes the Zune more for music.

Another thing I wanted to bring up is the capability of this product to expand certain professional functions. My current job is developing electronic software for a major consulting company that deals with the Healthcare industry. An iPad is the perfect device for physicians and clinicians to carry around in a hospital to do work on charts, lab results, ordering and much more. The ease of the operating system and user interface will appeal to many healthcare industry professionals. Saving time and having portability is vital to these folks. Believe it or not, mutlitaking is not an issue, as single form-like applications are what they identify with. There are a ton of developers with iPhone OS experience just waiting to get their hands on it in hopes of making a fortune.

This device will be a huge success for Apple. If you believe anything other than this, you are being silly. Will it be the best ebook reader? Maybe not. It isn't the best tablet or laptop either. Think about everything else it does and the big picture.

Just so you know, I'm not even going to buy one. I have a great netbook right now, and I want something smaller for reading. I don't like e-ink, so my question for all of you is: What other small devices like the iPhone or iPad use similar screen technology?

Bremen Cole · 03-08-2010, 05:57 AM

@coldsun...." It is slow and I hate converting my music to their proprietary format"

What do you mean by this? I have 40 gigs of mp3's that I use in iTunes and my iPhone.... Trust me, I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't understand what you mean.....

stustaff · 03-08-2010, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bremen Cole

@coldsun...." It is slow and I hate converting my music to their proprietary format"

What do you mean by this? I have 40 gigs of mp3's that I use in iTunes and my iPhone.... Trust me, I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't understand what you mean.....

Just another person commenting without any actual experience of recent use!

i have been using iTunes for i reckon 5 years and have NEVER had to convert an MP3.

ColdSun · 03-08-2010, 09:09 AM

Bremen,
By slow I mean the iTunes application on my PC. The device itself is very nice. I just prefer my Zune. I admit I haven't used a newer generation Apple for a while, but as far as I know it will convert the MP3 to a different format when moving it to the device. On the other hand, the Touch made for an awesome ebook reader when I had it.

EDIT: I've been informed iTunes does not and has never converted MP3s to a proprietary format before transfer to the device. I was under the impression it did. My apologies for the misinformation and this actually might change my mind in getting an iPad or iPod Touch (I want something smaller to read on but with a high quality screen).

stustaff - you may be right, I don't have recent experience with it. I do, however, have recent experience with iTunes and will comment as I see fit. I don't like the program and never have, over my longer than 5 years with it. You might even try reading my post to see what I said, instead of quoting another post by Bremen.

Back to the subject at hand, which is the iPad. I may have to buy one just for the development possibilities. I disagree with anyone who says LCD devices can't be used for reading. I've been doing it for ten years. Last eye check was 20/20. I've been using monitors for a good portion of my life, and since I'm a developer I spend a great deal of time at my computer. I read on an assortment of LCD devices when I go to sleep at night. So, in my opinion, the iPad will make an awesome ebook reader. I just want something smaller with the screen quality it has.

Bremen Cole · 03-08-2010, 11:11 AM

Okay.... but no it does not covert. I have my music library in MP3 format. There is no conversion to the iPhone... I use the drag and drop method, and it is all MP3.... anyway, I just didn't quite get what you meant.....

As far as iTunes, like most everything else (that people often argue over endlessly) it's just personal preference.... it's all good...

stustaff · 03-08-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdSun

stustaff - you may be right, I don't have recent experience with it. I do, however, have recent experience with iTunes and will comment as I see fit. I don't like the program and never have, over my longer than 5 years with it. You might even try reading my post to see what I said, instead of quoting another post by Bremen.

Well it is over 5 years since you have HAD to convert anything for use on an iPod so im not sure if you have been using it recently why you thought that?
anyway i apologise if i seemed a little abrupt, just frustrating me currently that a lot of people are making claims about things that are plain untrue or just uninformed.

I did read your post i just Quoted bremen for ease as he had already quoted the relevant point i was replying to.

It was just odd that you were saying you quite liked apple products but the reason you gave for not liking iTunes was something taht it doesnt do! yet you say you have over 5 years experience using it?? not sure how you never noticed?

the Touch is a Nice device imo and have never had any real issues reading from it, if you find iTunes a little slow and bulky have a look at getting songbird for if you make that iPad Touch purchase.

ColdSun · 03-08-2010, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stustaff

It was just odd that you were saying you quite liked apple products but the reason you gave for not liking iTunes was something taht it doesnt do! yet you say you have over 5 years experience using it?? not sure how you never noticed?

I'll tell you how that happened.

My wife has an iPod and I help her rip CDs for it all the time. I don't do much other than get it from her CD to her iTunes. I just don't like iTunes at all. The user interface leaves a bit to be desired compared to the Zune software I've been using for years. It seems slow and clunky by comparison. I do, however, love the hardware and OS on her iPod. I also was recently contracted to design a medical application for diabetes patients on the iPhone and iPod Touch. During that time I didn't really mess with iTunes and just the SDK and the Touch I was using as a staging device.

iTunes would definately not stop me from getting an iPad. The size/form factor is really my only concern. I already have a couple nice netbooks for sofa surfing and want something more portable/small for travel and reading/listening to music. I might change my mind though. I'm something of a collector of these devices. My wife hates it.

betoncio · 03-09-2010, 09:57 PM

I dont like the iPad, i use multitasking alot, and i reallly like to watch a lot of videos on the web, (youtube, metacafe, google video, etc.). I accept it has maybe the most beautiful and responsive screen never made for a portable device, but i just hate using iTunes, sometimes im at my friends homes and i just want to transfer a large video from their PC´s but some of them dont have iTunes so i cant do it, i like the posibility of using de device as an external hardrive or flash memory. I like also USB ports or HDMI, i think Apple could have done something more complete.

This is what i think, they did the iPad so simple so they can sell it at $500 and not the initially $1000 estimated cost, and they use iPhoneOs because their processor could´nt handle MacOs smooth enough. I feel disapointed with the iPad just as many of people who spected more from this.

sciredz · 03-11-2010, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betoncio

I dont like the iPad, i use multitasking alot, and i reallly like to watch a lot of videos on the web, (youtube, metacafe, google video, etc.). I accept it has maybe the most beautiful and responsive screen never made for a portable device, but i just hate using iTunes, sometimes im at my friends homes and i just want to transfer a large video from their PC´s but some of them dont have iTunes so i cant do it, i like the posibility of using de device as an external hardrive or flash memory. I like also USB ports or HDMI, i think Apple could have done something more complete.

This is what i think, they did the iPad so simple so they can sell it at $500 and not the initially $1000 estimated cost, and they use iPhoneOs because their processor could´nt handle MacOs smooth enough. I feel disapointed with the iPad just as many of people who spected more from this.

There is a widely available program at Itune called Discover. You can use it to access your iphone via your friend computer using wifi by typing an
ip address like 192.168.0.3:8888 and transfer 500Meg video to it in less than 2 minutes, you then access your iphone/phone in your own home and download
it back to your pc... the downside is that wifi must always be available...

hidari · 03-11-2010, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdSun

Bremen,
By slow I mean the iTunes application on my PC. The device itself is

ity it has.

Never tried an ipod myself... No interest, Don't like itunes. I like Cowon mp3 players you should try one:

http://www.cowonglobal.com/product_w...uct_page_1.php
slim, drag and drop-without any software program, many formats besides mp3,
good customer support.

hidari

Houndx · 03-12-2010, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bremen Cole

@coldsun...." It is slow and I hate converting my music to their proprietary format"

What do you mean by this? I have 40 gigs of mp3's that I use in iTunes and my iPhone.... Trust me, I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't understand what you mean.....

It's relevant if you rip to a lossless format. What would be nice is if itunes let you add the music and converted when syncing. I was kind of put out by that when I bought my iphone.

That said, I just talked myself in to an ipad and put my almost brand new Asus T91MT on the fleamarket.

jj2005 · 03-13-2010, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndx

It's relevant if you rip to a lossless format. What would be nice is if itunes let you add the music and converted when syncing. I was kind of put out by that when I bought my iphone.

That said, I just talked myself in to an ipad and put my almost brand new Asus T91MT on the fleamarket.

Wow, yes imagine that 40 gigs lossless would be maybe 80 gig but definitely a lot more than 40 gigs that would be converted on the fly during every sync...

You must be a very patient human, I for one prefer to have a faster sync and not wait 4+ hours everytime....

Houndx · 03-13-2010, 10:20 PM

Windows media player is able to sync exactly as I described in a fairly reasonable amount of time. Maybe if it's taking that long for you then you should consider buying a pc with a modern processor, etc.. just sayin

killdanzig · 03-18-2010, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonist

I don't wear glasses and I'd like to keep it this way. My eyes get tired in less than half an hour reading on my iPhone. I like e-ink, because under bright light it's easy on my eyes and I can read for hours.

BUT, the iPad has an IPS screen. I like IPS screens - I stare at one all day, without any eye fatigue.

If the screen on the iPad is anything like the screens on the couple of IPS monitors I have, I'd be perfectly happy reading on it, and dumping my Kindle. My main issue is the sub-10" size of the screen, which is too small for PDFs (and the possible lack of Flash.)

i agree with this. e-ink is phenomenal, and i really enjoy laying in bed reading on the prs-600 that we have.

i do however suffer from fatigue when reading on backlit displays though, and that is why the ipad will be relegated to comics and graphic novels for us.

betoncio · 03-18-2010, 04:52 PM

I had an iPod Touch once, when it first came out, and i figured out how to use as a flash memory, but it was a pin in the ass to do every time i want to download something from the device, so i changed the ipod for something with a simple plug and play option. I think its gonna be the same with the iPad.

03-08-2010, 09:09 AM	#79
ColdSun Developer/Device Reviews Posts: 591 Karma: 22183 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Device: Sony Xperia Tablet Z, Kindle Paperwhite 2, Lenovo Yoga 8, IPad 3	Bremen, By slow I mean the iTunes application on my PC. The device itself is very nice. I just prefer my Zune. I admit I haven't used a newer generation Apple for a while, but as far as I know it will convert the MP3 to a different format when moving it to the device. On the other hand, the Touch made for an awesome ebook reader when I had it. EDIT: I've been informed iTunes does not and has never converted MP3s to a proprietary format before transfer to the device. I was under the impression it did. My apologies for the misinformation and this actually might change my mind in getting an iPad or iPod Touch (I want something smaller to read on but with a high quality screen). stustaff - you may be right, I don't have recent experience with it. I do, however, have recent experience with iTunes and will comment as I see fit. I don't like the program and never have, over my longer than 5 years with it. You might even try reading my post to see what I said, instead of quoting another post by Bremen. Back to the subject at hand, which is the iPad. I may have to buy one just for the development possibilities. I disagree with anyone who says LCD devices can't be used for reading. I've been doing it for ten years. Last eye check was 20/20. I've been using monitors for a good portion of my life, and since I'm a developer I spend a great deal of time at my computer. I read on an assortment of LCD devices when I go to sleep at night. So, in my opinion, the iPad will make an awesome ebook reader. I just want something smaller with the screen quality it has. Last edited by ColdSun; 03-08-2010 at 11:11 AM.

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03-08-2010, 01:49 AM	#76
ColdSun Developer/Device Reviews Posts: 591 Karma: 22183 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Device: Sony Xperia Tablet Z, Kindle Paperwhite 2, Lenovo Yoga 8, IPad 3	I love a lot of things about the iPad, and don't like a few other things. I see a lot of comments about the screen and flash, but I have a few folks should think about... As a music player I hate Apple products because I hate iTunes. It is slow and I hate converting my music to their proprietary format. I'll put up with that due to the nice screen technology and other features, but it is my first negative on the product. I listen to music quite a bit during my travel (of which I do a lot due to my job). I know people love iPods and iTouch, but the only thing I like about them is their screen. I might be one of the few people who likes the Zune more for music. Another thing I wanted to bring up is the capability of this product to expand certain professional functions. My current job is developing electronic software for a major consulting company that deals with the Healthcare industry. An iPad is the perfect device for physicians and clinicians to carry around in a hospital to do work on charts, lab results, ordering and much more. The ease of the operating system and user interface will appeal to many healthcare industry professionals. Saving time and having portability is vital to these folks. Believe it or not, mutlitaking is not an issue, as single form-like applications are what they identify with. There are a ton of developers with iPhone OS experience just waiting to get their hands on it in hopes of making a fortune. This device will be a huge success for Apple. If you believe anything other than this, you are being silly. Will it be the best ebook reader? Maybe not. It isn't the best tablet or laptop either. Think about everything else it does and the big picture. Just so you know, I'm not even going to buy one. I have a great netbook right now, and I want something smaller for reading. I don't like e-ink, so my question for all of you is: What other small devices like the iPhone or iPad use similar screen technology?

03-08-2010, 05:57 AM	#77
Bremen Cole Wizard Posts: 1,115 Karma: 2718 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Texas Device: iPad	@coldsun...." It is slow and I hate converting my music to their proprietary format" What do you mean by this? I have 40 gigs of mp3's that I use in iTunes and my iPhone.... Trust me, I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't understand what you mean.....

03-08-2010, 11:11 AM	#80
Bremen Cole Wizard Posts: 1,115 Karma: 2718 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Texas Device: iPad	Okay.... but no it does not covert. I have my music library in MP3 format. There is no conversion to the iPhone... I use the drag and drop method, and it is all MP3.... anyway, I just didn't quite get what you meant..... As far as iTunes, like most everything else (that people often argue over endlessly) it's just personal preference.... it's all good...

03-09-2010, 09:57 PM	#83
betoncio Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2010 Device: a81	I dont like the iPad, i use multitasking alot, and i reallly like to watch a lot of videos on the web, (youtube, metacafe, google video, etc.). I accept it has maybe the most beautiful and responsive screen never made for a portable device, but i just hate using iTunes, sometimes im at my friends homes and i just want to transfer a large video from their PC´s but some of them dont have iTunes so i cant do it, i like the posibility of using de device as an external hardrive or flash memory. I like also USB ports or HDMI, i think Apple could have done something more complete. This is what i think, they did the iPad so simple so they can sell it at $500 and not the initially $1000 estimated cost, and they use iPhoneOs because their processor could´nt handle MacOs smooth enough. I feel disapointed with the iPad just as many of people who spected more from this.

03-13-2010, 10:20 PM	#88
Houndx Groupie Posts: 159 Karma: 149 Join Date: Jul 2009 Device: A81 MID, Dell Streak	Windows media player is able to sync exactly as I described in a fairly reasonable amount of time. Maybe if it's taking that long for you then you should consider buying a pc with a modern processor, etc.. just sayin

03-18-2010, 04:52 PM	#90
betoncio Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2010 Device: a81	I had an iPod Touch once, when it first came out, and i figured out how to use as a flash memory, but it was a pin in the ass to do every time i want to download something from the device, so i changed the ipod for something with a simple plug and play option. I think its gonna be the same with the iPad.

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