Bookeen Opus Announced - Page 6

Godzil · 07-27-2009, 02:59 PM

It's seems that it's Weltbild : http://www.weltbild.de/3/15862004-1/...inklusive.html
They do 19% of reduction on the normal price. I don't know if Bookeen is really happy about this..

(And sony seems to want to out stock their current reader by lowering the price (ie solding with low, or negatives margins)

delphidb96 · 07-27-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Now it's fixed, it's 1.2 too

So is the update that's posted there the OLD one or not???

Derek

P.S. Ah! It's NOT!

JSWolf · 07-27-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

t's week end, and they didn't noticed the problem. You don't spend you week-end checking everything is OK at work right ? Though it' s a good idea to do so after will-have-unexpected-effect update.

But you do go to the site to make sure some of it is working at least. And in this case that's all it would have taken to find out none of it was working. That's unacceptable.

JSWolf · 07-27-2009, 05:53 PM

What makes the Opus so special given that you can get the Cool-er (with ePub and a 6" screen)?

Godzil · 07-27-2009, 05:57 PM

Maybe because for the cool-er we can say :

But test your device to make sure some of it is working at least. And in this case that's all it would have taken to find out none or a lot of it was working. That's unacceptable, largely more than breaking a website for the weekend

The Bookeen's website worked for some times before the break, they may be not at work when the site broke, but still works when they modify it.

And I think that the Opus is really more polished than the Cooler that is sold by a company that have less than 1 year, 0 year before in the eBook market for it's founder and their only product is a rebranding of a chinese hardware and software manufacturer.

JSWolf: you bought a Sony, and seems to have an aversion against Bookeen. What do you do here since it's about Bookeen? If you want a cool-er go to the cooler thread, this is not here.

wallcraft · 07-27-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What makes the Opus so special given that you can get the Cool-er (with ePub and a 6" screen)?

We know of four independent licences of mobile ADE for 5" and 6" screens:

Sony
Bookeen
Netronix
Jinke

Sony is using old ADE code in their PRS-505 and 700. They will presumably be using the same mobile ADE SDK as everyone else in future products. The Cool-ER is using Netronix firmware, so it will have the same ADE implementation as several other Netronix-based products. I assume that Bookeen is a separate licensee of mobile ADE (i.e. they are not using the Netronix licence) and have ported mobile ADE separately to the EB-600 hardware and the Opus. Jinke has ported mobile ADE to the Hanlin V3 and V5.

So from the point of view of PDF/ePub display the differences between these devices is presumably going to be small. The number of font sizes is one differentiator, and another might be the ability to zoom PDFs and trim PDF margins. Finally, the library navigation software will be different (e.g. folders or not, thumbnails or not).

In the end, software stability might be the major differentiator. So far, Jinke is the company that turns around bug fixes the fastest but Sony appears to have solid firmware with relatively few bugs (but no bug fix releases).

Godzil · 07-27-2009, 06:30 PM

And even if for some people Bookeen is actually the lamest about fix, netronix will be at a lower position... I hope that I'm wrong, but what I see from them doesn't confort me...

bwaldron · 07-27-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzil

And even if for some people Bookeen is actually the lamest about fix, netronix will be at a lower position... I hope that I'm wrong, but what I see from them doesn't confort me...

Yes, Bookeen is the "devil you know"

delphidb96 · 07-27-2009, 06:36 PM

I wish Bookeen well in the sales of their Opus. *I* will not buy one. It costs FAR TOO MUCH for what is being offered. Especially when I take into account the more than $1,000 I've already spent on three Netronix-based ebook readers. Had Bookeen offered these for under $200 - say around $150 - I might have been tempted. But not now.

Derek

Barcey · 07-27-2009, 06:44 PM

So has anyone ordered an Opus yet? I'm anxious to read the reviews when they arrive.

The contoured case design should be less susceptible to the screen breaking we've been seeing from the case twisting. Combined with the smaller screen it should (in theory) be more rugged.

Did Bookeen say if they're planning on releasing deluxe covers for it? I see it comes with a slip cover but I can't see using it without a cover. I'm too much of a klutz and it looks like it would slip out of my hands.

K-Thom · 07-27-2009, 06:46 PM

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Uuu. What ?? how much is vat on e-reader in germany ? Where does that price diffrence comes from ?

It's 19%, so it's just 0.6% lower than in France. Sony started the price cut on Libri and Thalia, so Weltbild had to follow the trend. Also - in my opinion -, Weltbild isn't happy with the sales figures of the Cybook so far, they would have lowered the price anyway.

Germany always was a tough market, even for global competitors. Remember, Walmart had to give up over here because they couldn't compete with the local supermarket chains ...

bwaldron · 07-27-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

I wish Bookeen well in the sales of their Opus. *I* will not buy one. It costs FAR TOO MUCH for what is being offered. Especially when I take into account the more than $1,000 I've already spent on three Netronix-based ebook readers. Had Bookeen offered these for under $200 - say around $150 - I might have been tempted. But not now.

I won't be buying one either. But if I were looking for my first device (and I wasn't so negative in my attitude towards Bookeen), I would consider it -- though I would like to see a lower price, yes.

Godzil · 07-27-2009, 06:50 PM

delphidb: $150 would not cover all the hardware of the device. Maybe the Opus will go to $200 one day, I don't know, why not? but actually until PVI/E ink have a monopolistic position on the production of ePaper screen, I really doubt that the screen price will go down... (and the screen is the most expensive part of the device. I heard price from $70 to $100 for a 6inch PVI E ink display. And the LG counterpart will not cut the price, since there is a conflict of interest between E ink and PVI.

Actually, for $150 you may get a PCB and a screen without anything else, and I'm not sure that I am right... It could be more expensive.

rixte · 07-27-2009, 06:58 PM

I think the Opus is absolutely beautiful and I almost talked myself into it, but eventually decided I couldn't take another round of being able to get a response from Bookeen if I had problems again. I'm kind of glad their website *was* down, since it sort of solidified that decision.

HarryT · 07-28-2009, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barcey

So has anyone ordered an Opus yet? I'm anxious to read the reviews when they arrive.

I have ordered one.

07-27-2009, 05:57 PM	#80
Godzil a pthread?? where? where? Posts: 1,763 Karma: 30462 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in EU Device: Newton MessagePad 2100, and only this	Maybe because for the cool-er we can say : But test your device to make sure some of it is working at least. And in this case that's all it would have taken to find out none or a lot of it was working. That's unacceptable, largely more than breaking a website for the weekend The Bookeen's website worked for some times before the break, they may be not at work when the site broke, but still works when they modify it. And I think that the Opus is really more polished than the Cooler that is sold by a company that have less than 1 year, 0 year before in the eBook market for it's founder and their only product is a rebranding of a chinese hardware and software manufacturer. JSWolf: you bought a Sony, and seems to have an aversion against Bookeen. What do you do here since it's about Bookeen? If you want a cool-er go to the cooler thread, this is not here. Last edited by Godzil; 07-27-2009 at 06:02 PM.

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07-27-2009, 02:59 PM	#76
Godzil a pthread?? where? where? Posts: 1,763 Karma: 30462 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in EU Device: Newton MessagePad 2100, and only this	It's seems that it's Weltbild : http://www.weltbild.de/3/15862004-1/...inklusive.html They do 19% of reduction on the normal price. I don't know if Bookeen is really happy about this.. (And sony seems to want to out stock their current reader by lowering the price (ie solding with low, or negatives margins)

07-27-2009, 05:53 PM	#79
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,796 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	What makes the Opus so special given that you can get the Cool-er (with ePub and a 6" screen)?

07-27-2009, 06:30 PM	#82
Godzil a pthread?? where? where? Posts: 1,763 Karma: 30462 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in EU Device: Newton MessagePad 2100, and only this	And even if for some people Bookeen is actually the lamest about fix, netronix will be at a lower position... I hope that I'm wrong, but what I see from them doesn't confort me...

07-27-2009, 06:36 PM	#84
delphidb96 Wizard Posts: 2,999 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Citrus Heights, California Device: TWO Kindle 2s, one each Bookeen Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS-500, Axim X51V	I wish Bookeen well in the sales of their Opus. I will not buy one. It costs FAR TOO MUCH for what is being offered. Especially when I take into account the more than $1,000 I've already spent on three Netronix-based ebook readers. Had Bookeen offered these for under $200 - say around $150 - I might have been tempted. But not now. Derek

07-27-2009, 06:44 PM	#85
Barcey Wizard Posts: 1,531 Karma: 8059866 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Device: Kobo H2O / Aura HD / Glo / iPad3	So has anyone ordered an Opus yet? I'm anxious to read the reviews when they arrive. The contoured case design should be less susceptible to the screen breaking we've been seeing from the case twisting. Combined with the smaller screen it should (in theory) be more rugged. Did Bookeen say if they're planning on releasing deluxe covers for it? I see it comes with a slip cover but I can't see using it without a cover. I'm too much of a klutz and it looks like it would slip out of my hands.

07-27-2009, 06:50 PM	#88
Godzil a pthread?? where? where? Posts: 1,763 Karma: 30462 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in EU Device: Newton MessagePad 2100, and only this	delphidb: $150 would not cover all the hardware of the device. Maybe the Opus will go to $200 one day, I don't know, why not? but actually until PVI/E ink have a monopolistic position on the production of ePaper screen, I really doubt that the screen price will go down... (and the screen is the most expensive part of the device. I heard price from $70 to $100 for a 6inch PVI E ink display. And the LG counterpart will not cut the price, since there is a conflict of interest between E ink and PVI. Actually, for $150 you may get a PCB and a screen without anything else, and I'm not sure that I am right... It could be more expensive.

07-27-2009, 06:58 PM	#89
rixte Addict Posts: 300 Karma: 396757 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: new oasis, paperwhite, ipad, kobo	I think the Opus is absolutely beautiful and I almost talked myself into it, but eventually decided I couldn't take another round of being able to get a response from Bookeen if I had problems again. I'm kind of glad their website was down, since it sort of solidified that decision.

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