Books on Board UK bookstore - Page 6

Jellby · 07-08-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

If you mean that the customer isn't doing anything wrong in bypassing them, that is absolutely right.

Unless you agreed to give truthful information, and then lied about the country your are in. But the wrong action is lying, not buying a book.

GeoffC · 07-08-2009, 09:21 AM

Describing a UK address as being in the US is a loophole that the distributors may be putting a blind eye to - but if it results in a sale in breach of an agreement with publishers who have exercised their right to restrict sales to a geographic distribution, then it is likely to be the seller who will suffer to the detriment of buyers.

GeoffC · 07-08-2009, 09:22 AM

I'm surprised that with a membership of nearly 40k we don't have a least one lawyer who could provide some guide on what is right or wrong.

AshW · 07-08-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

I'm surprised that with a membership of nearly 40k we don't have a least one lawyer who could provide some guide on what is right or wrong.

You mean legal and ilegal. Big difference

But keep in mind they'd have to specialise in a fairly narrow area of the law and less than 2000 have looked at this thread, so not really that suprising. Harry is right though, nothing ilegal is being done.

Right and wrong is pretty subjective so you have to decide for yourself.

GeoffC · 07-08-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AshW

You mean legal and ilegal. Big difference

But keep in mind they'd have to specialise in a fairly narrow area of the law and less than 2000 have looked at this thread, so not really that suprising. Harry is right though, nothing ilegal is being done.

Right and wrong is pretty subjective so you have to decide for yourself.

mmmm - mis-representing one's address !?

bill the smith · 07-09-2009, 03:39 AM

Assuming that HarryT is correct, then there is no *legal* problem.
Except, of course, for two things.
One, if there are some fine-print terms and conditions of the downloading website which say (in effect) that you can only download if the you are in the US or
Two if that is implied.
To use a deception to work around these conditions of use maybe a fraud and thus criminal conduct.
This would make you a pirate, as I said in the beginning.
As far as *moral* conduct goes, we each make our individual decision.
For my part, I am *morally* comforted that HarryT seems not to see any of this as wrong.

HansTWN · 07-09-2009, 04:51 AM

As the old Chinese saying goes: "Against the rules, but not illegal"

mtravellerh · 07-09-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bill the smith

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For my part, I am *morally* comforted that HarryT seems not to see any of this as wrong.

So, in essence, if Harry doesn't perceive something as wrong, it isn't?

Isn't using your personal conscience a better way to feel your way through this labyrinth?

orwell2k · 07-09-2009, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

I have no idea about court challenges. But you keep saying you are a legal purchaser, and it seems that, if you are not in the US, you are not. Do you think that some foreigner that travels to the US and tries to buy ebooks there is not a legal purchaser?

Why can't they both be legal purchasers? I mean, it doesn't have to be either/or - in a sane world, which we do not have, alas.

HarryT · 07-09-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mtravellerh

So, in essence, if Harry doesn't perceive something as wrong, it isn't?

Isn't using your personal conscience a better way to feel your way through this labyrinth?

Absolutely right. I have certainly neither the qualifications nor the wish to be perceived as MR's "moral arbitor"

.

mtravellerh · 07-09-2009, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Absolutely right. I have certainly neither the qualifications nor the wish to be perceived as MR's "moral arbitor"

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Harry, the ethical GPS!

Flashingblade · 07-09-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Absolutely right. I have certainly neither the qualifications nor the wish to be perceived as MR's "moral arbitor"

.

Too late for that. I for one will be shouting "BUT HARRY TOLD ME TO DO IT" if the boys in blue come to take me away

GeoffC · 07-10-2009, 05:18 AM

Do what ever your conscience allows you to do .....

Riocaz · 07-10-2009, 05:38 AM

--edit-- Ignore me I managed to miss the fact this was a couple of weeks old.

amjbrown · 07-12-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The reason however, for the "no sale if you're in the UK" restriction for Terry Pratchett's books is that FW/BoB sell the US version of the book, and there is a separate UK publisher. The UK store will, one hopes, sell the UK version of it to UK customers.

Pratchett's books (or rather some of them) were in Waterstones.com and whsmith.co.uk.

They seem to have gone! Waterstones.com have been missing all day - whsmith.co.uk were there when I started researching this issue this morning, then disappeared. I have two browsers on two computers - one has three pages in respsonse to a search for Pratchett - the other is empty.

Completeness is an issue in the UK. A number of Ian Rankins's Rebus novels were missing - odd volumes, like #6. I queried with the publisher, and was told that they had a system date of 31/12/2011 - which apparently was a standard "not sure" date. Last week the missing volumes suddenly appeared.

The discworld novels seemed to have the same problem. Hopefully their removal is temporary, and they'll come back with fewer gaps!

Odd.

07-10-2009, 05:38 AM	#89
Riocaz Fulfilled but not by iRex Posts: 932 Karma: 286846 Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Device: Far too many	--edit-- Ignore me I managed to miss the fact this was a couple of weeks old. Last edited by Riocaz; 07-10-2009 at 05:42 AM.

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GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Describing a UK address as being in the US is a loophole that the distributors may be putting a blind eye to - but if it results in a sale in breach of an agreement with publishers who have exercised their right to restrict sales to a geographic distribution, then it is likely to be the seller who will suffer to the detriment of buyers.

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GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	I'm surprised that with a membership of nearly 40k we don't have a least one lawyer who could provide some guide on what is right or wrong.

07-09-2009, 03:39 AM	#81
bill the smith Banned Posts: 42 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Device: sony prs 700	Assuming that HarryT is correct, then there is no legal problem. Except, of course, for two things. One, if there are some fine-print terms and conditions of the downloading website which say (in effect) that you can only download if the you are in the US or Two if that is implied. To use a deception to work around these conditions of use maybe a fraud and thus criminal conduct. This would make you a pirate, as I said in the beginning. As far as moral conduct goes, we each make our individual decision. For my part, I am morally comforted that HarryT seems not to see any of this as wrong.

07-09-2009, 04:51 AM	#82
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	As the old Chinese saying goes: "Against the rules, but not illegal"

07-10-2009, 05:18 AM	#88
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Do what ever your conscience allows you to do .....

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