deleted files no longer in trash but .caltrash

[lostinlodos]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

FFS: you can clear caltrash with two keystrokes, a user defined shortcut to pop the "Recently deleted books" dialogue, and Alt+C to 'press' the Clear button. If you want to keep the confirm message its three!

BR

Ok… that’s in the manual? Oh… I see!
The developer has made an extensive and powerful. Document platform.
But ultimately the internet sees it as the single greatest converter. Ever.

You're the minority, even if not so here on this forum. When you search for e-something converter calibre and great reviews take up most of the first dozen pages.
Search for ebook library, crickets.

Despite any intention of the programmer: calibre is the worlds go to CONVERTER.
Granted most people won’t ever notice their files are still in their drives. Those who do notice, tend to be skilled enough to work around the issue.

I created a quick link to the folder. When I finish my process I simply click the link, right click, and delete the folder.
Soon even that won’t be necessary. I sent the info to the CleanMyMac team. Eventually that will be added to the various garbage stores it cleans.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

Ok… that’s in the manual? Oh… I see!
The developer has made an extensive and powerful. Document platform.
But ultimately the internet sees it as the single greatest converter. Ever.

You're the minority, even if not so here on this forum. When you search for e-something converter calibre and great reviews take up most of the first dozen pages.
Search for ebook library, crickets.

It's on the first page of Google.



First result for 'ebook manager'

[theducks]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

Ok… that’s in the manual? Oh… I see!
The developer has made an extensive and powerful. Document platform.
But ultimately the internet sees it as the single greatest converter. Ever.

You're the minority, even if not so here on this forum. When you search for e-something converter calibre and great reviews take up most of the first dozen pages.
Search for ebook library, crickets.

Despite any intention of the programmer: calibre is the worlds go to CONVERTER.
Granted most people won’t ever notice their files are still in their drives. Those who do notice, tend to be skilled enough to work around the issue.

I created a quick link to the folder. When I finish my process I simply click the link, right click, and delete the folder.
Soon even that won’t be necessary. I sent the info to the CleanMyMac team. Eventually that will be added to the various garbage stores it cleans.

Regardless of YOUR opinion, Calibre is not misrepresented by the DEVELOPER. It is a Library manager that does (lots) of other stuff.

There are thousands of things in this world that are used in ways that the originators never intended initially or not the primary purpose it was made for.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

You're the minority, even if not so here on this forum. When you search for e-something converter calibre and great reviews take up most of the first dozen pages.
Search for ebook library, crickets.

Despite any intention of the programmer: calibre is the worlds go to CONVERTER.
Granted most people won’t ever notice their files are still in their drives. Those who do notice, tend to be skilled enough to work around the issue.

And what do you see if you search for ebook management or ebook library? For ebook management, the first page has multiple hits for calibre (more if you count the number of Best pages that list calibre as an option. For ebook library, calibre is on the first page of hits.

Otherwise, if you insist on seeing calibre only as an ebook conversion tool, that's on you. So stop trying to convince the rest of the world that your opinion is the only one that matters.

And again, for me, a few gigabytes of files hanging around for a couple of weeks is a matter of total disinterest.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by DNSB

And what do you see if you search for ebook management or ebook library? For ebook management, the first page has multiple hits for calibre (more if you count the number of Best pages that list calibre as an option. For ebook library, calibre is on the first page of hits.

I posted my searches (done in an incognito window so that my cookies won't affect it). Calibre is first result for 'ebook manager' and a lot of the other results are 'get Calibre, it's the best option.'

[Karellen]

Hmm, why do I feel like we are feeding the troll...

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

Ok… that’s in the manual? Oh… I see!
The developer has made an extensive and powerful. Document platform.
But ultimately the internet sees it as the single greatest converter. Ever.

You're the minority, even if not so here on this forum. When you search for e-something converter calibre and great reviews take up most of the first dozen pages.
Search for ebook library, crickets.

Despite any intention of the programmer: calibre is the worlds go to CONVERTER.
Granted most people won’t ever notice their files are still in their drives. Those who do notice, tend to be skilled enough to work around the issue.

I created a quick link to the folder. When I finish my process I simply click the link, right click, and delete the folder.
Soon even that won’t be necessary. I sent the info to the CleanMyMac team. Eventually that will be added to the various garbage stores it cleans.

Come in spinner.

My comment was primarily directed at owb for suggesting someone who 'only wants to convert' might want to install an optional plugin and learn a little of its command set and calibre's template language; none of which have anything to do with conversion per se.

To do what… to avoid using two keystroke sequences e.g. Alt+D (to pop the caltrash dialogue) and Alt+C (to empty the caltrash bin).

As why people use calibre, arm yourself with some facts. You don't have to look far - the calibre sub forums have thread and post count columns. A finer grain set of numbers can be had from the plugins sub-forum - GUI plugins are predominantly related to library management, Input and Output plugins relate to conversion - a sort on Reply count shows 18 GUI PIs and 3 Conversion In/Out PIs on the first page - 6:1.

For a large portion of calibre users, integration with their e-reader devices is the main attraction; library management and conversion are necessary-evils to that end.

BR

[ownedbycats]

Exposing the 'clear bin' in the menu would also allow a simple hotkey, which doesnt require any plugins.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

Exposing the 'clear bin' in the menu would also allow a simple hotkey, which doesnt require any plugins.

Perhaps of I generated an 80+ post thread about the change to F2 behaviour made in 6.18 being reversed in 6.19 I could get it reinstated or made an option.

Nah - simpler to stick at 6.18.1.

BR

[lostinlodos]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

It's on the first page of Google.

You Searched for manager.
Now try ebook converter oh look, calibre is everywhere.
As for what a manager is and does, never crossed my mind. I import, convert, export. Done.

Originally Posted by theducks

Regardless of YOUR opinion, Calibre is not misrepresented by the DEVELOPER. It is a Library manager that does (lots) of other stuff.

I never said it was. What I did say was that it is the highest rated ebook and document converter.

Originally Posted by DNSB

. So stop trying to convince the rest of the world that your opinion is the only one that matters.

I don’t understand why you so aggressively defensive. I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion on how they chose to use the software I’m stating a simple fact, millions use the program as a converter. Alone.
If you’re ok with software leaving garbage on your system that’s your choice. But there is a reason hundreds of millions of people use programs like Ccleaner and CleanMyMac. The majority, by a wide margin, frown upon random crap being left on the system.


I’m not even the one who created this thread. Or the many thousands of posts elsewhere on the web.
The method has its downsides. Just because you don’t notice them for your use doesn’t mean there is no negative consequences for others.

Again, the call here was an option to disable a function that is disruptive to many who have no use for it.

I don’t have a nas system in place but I do use an LTO library. And can easily understand the concerns of the OP.

In the world of ultraportable devices and cloud storage and 64GB drives on chrome platforms, not everyone wants junk left when they thought, and intended, to delete it.
Just because calibre is on a 1Tb drive on my Mac does mean I like the idea of garbage being left on my system after taking the steps to use a delete function.

And on a removable drive: such a change can be very problematic. Take BSD and my Mac. The file management creates an index. That index is recording file actions. Here’s one problem with the new function. Deleting the files from within the program and then clearing the trash bin does not delete the index. Previously delete the files from within the program removed the folders, and thus the index as well.
Now, emptying the trash leaves behind the trash folder including the index database for that folder. There is the potential for an index clash, or a backup issue. Especially on sparse backups.

What is it about a disable toggle in advanced settings that is so problematic for you?

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

What is it about a disable toggle in advanced settings that is so problematic for you?

No one is saying they're against that. What most of us here don't like is your constant claiming that Calibre is first and foremost a converter. It's not, no matter how many people use it as such. It's first and foremost a library manager and the developer updates it with that in mind first. Whether he will implement the function you want or not is for him to decide.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

I don’t understand why you so aggressively defensive. I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion on how they chose to use the software I’m stating a simple fact, millions use the program as a converter. Alone.
If you’re ok with software leaving garbage on your system that’s your choice. But there is a reason hundreds of millions of people use programs like Ccleaner and CleanMyMac. The majority, by a wide margin, frown upon random crap being left on the system.

Over my decades in IT, I have had the joy of fixing systems for users that ran programs such as CCLeaner, CleanMyPC, MacCube Cleaner, MacBooster, etc. on both Windows and MacOS systems. Sorry but that experience has convinced me that use of that class of tools is not a good idea 99% of the time. For the most part, I rank them with 3rd party uninstallers as being solutions in search of a problem.

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

I don’t have a nas system in place but I do use an LTO library. And can easily understand the concerns of the OP.

Perhaps you don't mean what I would mean by using a LTO library. To me, it is a tape backup system. The last one we used was 1 petabyte multi-tape library which was replaced by a off-site disk array. The thought of trying to run a program or access random data off a LTO tape is enough to make me ROFL.

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

What is it about a disable toggle in advanced settings that is so problematic for you?

Simply that I prefer the new system and see no real benefit to adding a toggle.

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

In the world of ultraportable devices and cloud storage and 64GB drives on chrome platforms, not everyone wants junk left when they thought, and intended, to delete it.
Just because calibre is on a 1Tb drive on my Mac does mean I like the idea of garbage being left on my system after taking the steps to use a delete function.

And on a removable drive: such a change can be very problematic. Take BSD and my Mac. The file management creates an index. That index is recording file actions. Here’s one problem with the new function. Deleting the files from within the program and then clearing the trash bin does not delete the index. Previously delete the files from within the program removed the folders, and thus the index as well.
Now, emptying the trash leaves behind the trash folder including the index database for that folder. There is the potential for an index clash, or a backup issue. Especially on sparse backups.

As for Chrome platforms? I have run Calibre under Crostini. Not a recommended experience.

Really? Emptying the trash leaves behind the trash folder? That seems to be standard practice on any operating system I've used. Your Mac deletes the Trash directory when you empty it? Doesn't seem to do that on the Ventura VM I'm using.

The remainder of your comments reads like someone with no real knowledge of disk operating systems. You do realize that calibre uses the OS for disk management? So if indexes are being left behind, those would be on your OS and not on calibre.

I do admire your sympathy towards those running on system with small storage devices.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

You Searched for manager.
Now try ebook converter oh look, calibre is everywhere.
As for what a manager is and does, never crossed my mind. I import, convert, export. Done.

(sorry about the misplaced search bar, browser screenshot is glitchy sometimes)

a) Once is not 'everywhere.'
b) 'Comprehensive ebook software' implies it does more than convert.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Simply that I prefer the new system and see no real benefit to adding a toggle.

As an alternate to a menu entry for clearing the bin, I also suggested a 'clear bin upon Calibre exit' - this would preserve the benefits of the Calibre bin but not leave files sitting around for users who don't use it every day.

[lostinlodos]

Guess we’re just on opposite sides. I like clean and tidy. I never lost the floppy-n-20-meg aspect no matter how big drives get.

I’ll agree with you on cleaners in general. Not good for most consumers, though CMM X is probably the safest I’ve seen.

I have a 5 drive LTO 8 system in a modified OWC rack. A rolling backup and tapes for individual projects. At 12GB a tape for $40 it’s worth it to me. I don’t mind a cup of coffee while I ware to transfer a project vm image back to disk. LTO 8 isn’t as slow as you may think it is. I had previously used two LTO 5 drives. One for backup and one for swapping for various uses. But I still use and develop on older retro platforms. Outside of modern games and mega database systems, speed isn’t really a concern for me. Running doom eternal from a tap library is insane. But loading a spreadsheet, or a virtual image, or an ebook, … not all that bad.


The rest is simple. You have a new feature that makes sense to you.
You miss the trash concern.
Previously deleting all copies of a file in calibre deleted the folder containing it. Meta files and all.
The new method: creates a series of folders under the calibre trash hidden folder. Those folders are left behind on clearing if something other than the book is added. In my case the index files (db files) for my disk indexer.
That throws my search function for a bit of a loop with an error that files are missing when it checks the indexes.
So I can understand how that would be an issue for other less common setups.

What I stated isn’t intrusive or problematic. Just a simple option to disable extended storage of “deleted” files.