Kobo and Footnotes. Again.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by John F

Doing a quick google, men can witches. Maybe Sorceress?

Actresses and Authoresses are now often called Actors and Authors. Though there are still princes and princesses.

She can be a Sorcerer if desired.

Sorceresses and witches are unrelated.

Warlocks are warlocks, not male witches. Also you can have a female warlock.

And the Witch of Endor that Saul employed is a mistranslation. She was a necromancer, not a witch.

According to Terry Pratchett, the Seamstresses are often not female tailors, but "ladies of the night". Though some really are seamstresses. He also has a female Wizard, though the Wizards at the Unseen University aren't easily convinced.

See also words ending in -ix.

[John F]

Originally Posted by Quoth

Actresses and Authoresses are now often called Actors and Authors. Though there are still princes and princesses.

...

Around here, I believe the norm is that "author" is gender neutral; I can't recall seeing "authoress".

Sorceresses and witches are unrelated.

Must be another locale definition. From the Oxford dictionary:

noun
a female sorcerer; a witch

[Quoth]

The Oxford Dictionary isn't a specialist source for definitions of fantasy or paranormal etc practitioners.

Authoress was gone long before Actress, which is less frequent. Though there are awards.

[jackie_w]

Originally Posted by mramosch

Hope to hear from you soon!

Your attached file in post #74 shows errors in both calibre and epubcheck. Also you've named it as if it's a kepub when it's not, in fact it's not even a valid epub.

I wouldn't want to draw any meaningful conclusions about this book in its current state. But anyway, I don't think I've got any further useful info to contribute about kepub pop-up footnotes than I've already said in this thread.

BTW, in case you're not already aware, it's a known problem with Kobos that overwriting an old book with a newer version will cause problems if the TOC has changed (the calibre Kobo Utilities plugin has an option to help with that). I suppose it's possible that changes in other kinds of links, e.g. footnotes/endnotes, may also cause problems. FWIW, when messing around with test books, I've always found it safer to delete the old one via the Kobo GUI before I do more testing on a newer version.

[Quoth]

Always delete the old copy is safest.

[mramosch]

Originally Posted by jackie_w

Your attached file in post #74 shows errors in both calibre and epubcheck. Also you've named it as if it's a kepub when it's not, in fact it's not even a valid epub.

Well, that’s an example of how the average Joe buys/gets their books on the web. Every eReader or software I’ve tested does it right, so I guess KOBO should too.

BTW: KOBO recommends in every related issue report on GitHub that you should just rename your epubs to kepubs in order to circumvent their broken ADE implementation. That’s their number one remedy for practically every problem people have reported…

Originally Posted by jackie_w

FWIW, when messing around with test books, I've always found it safer to delete the old one via the Kobo GUI before I do more testing on a newer version.

Of course I REMOVE the files on the device itself but KOBO still does the same humbug with caching…


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But that was not the point of my last post.

I only need someone to check whether the file in post #74 now works (according to the description I gave) when installed for the first time ever on their device. (No caching can affect the behavior)

And subsequently if the file of post #2 of the forked thread still does the wrong thing when ‘virginly’ being sideloaded after having checked for the correct behavior of the file of post #74 of this thread.


Because then I could tell you with quite some certainty what the problem with footnote naming actually is and how you can make them 100% work, like on my device now…


That’s all!

.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by mramosch

BTW: KOBO recommends in every related issue report on GitHub that you should just rename your epubs to kepubs in order to circumvent their broken ADE implementation. That’s their number one remedy for practically every problem people have reported…

Could you point us to an example of where a Kobo representative has made that suggestion for to do a rename to kepub.epub to fix issues with an ePub? Inquiring minds are eager to know.

The only place that I've seen where they suggest simply renaming epub to kepub.epub is for testing purposes under the Sideloading for Testing Purposes heading. And note that they do mention the problems you may run into such as "will disable bookmarking and note keeping. Thumbnails for covers may not display".

[Aleron Ives]

I also suspect the only reason Kobo recommends renaming the file is that they either don't know about or just don't acknowledge that the KEPUB format has been reverse engineered, so making true KEPUB files is possible with Calibre and kepubify. There's no reason to simply rename the file and accept the problems that go with it when you can convert your books properly.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

I also suspect the only reason Kobo recommends renaming the file is that they either don't know about or just don't acknowledge that the KEPUB format has been reverse engineered, so making true KEPUB files is possible with Calibre and kepubify. There's no reason to simply rename the file and accept the problems that go with it when you can convert your books properly.

If you take a look at the Kobo's ePub spec Github site, most of it's content has not been touched by any of the commits since it was created over a decade ago. Most of the forks are equally antique.

[mramosch]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Could you point us to an example of where a Kobo representative has made that suggestion for to do a rename to kepub.epub to fix issues with an ePub? Inquiring minds are eager to know.

Well if you (instead of hi-jackiing threads several times to totally unrelated side tangents like sorceresses and valid dictionary definitions etc.) could stick to the subject of this thread and kindly find the time to check the two files I’ve provided, I am sure I will find the time to satisfy you inquiring minds and go through all the KOBO GitHub issues regarding footnotes/endnotes again and find some references for you.

I would really appreciate that!

But it seems that you sg. (rather unconstructively IMO) are interested more in anything else but in the subject of this thread…

[PeterT]

I will admit I wish that
A) rather than the fairly large books you post, you could post simpler books with minimal markup that exhibit the issue
B) rather than renaming ab Epub to kepub you'd actually take the steps to make a true kepub where items like bookmarking, saving location would function

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[mramosch]

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

I also suspect the only reason Kobo recommends renaming the file is that they either don't know about or just don't acknowledge that the KEPUB format has been reverse engineered, so making true KEPUB files is possible with Calibre and kepubify. There's no reason to simply rename the file and accept the problems that go with it when you can convert your books properly.

As far as I remember the box my KOBO came in said that it reads books in epub format.

Whether their ADE version is outdated or poorly implemented - I don’t care at all, and if they advice me to rename my files to .kepub.epub (which btw. is technically still an epub for any other device or software besides KOBO devices) and this doesn’t work either, then there’s something wrong beyond just being a user error on the customer’s part.

It’s simply not my business to have to acquire a PHD or know ANYTHING about using third party software in order to get a half decent experience on their devices.

It’s already too much that a simple customer has to search the web to find a site where KOBO kindly show you some hacks to circumvent their bugs and proprietary corporate decisions. Just read this e.g.

• https://github.com/kobolabs/epub-spec/issues/32

And if they then tell me to rename my files I don’t think I have to ’accept the problems that go with it’ and I don’t have to care about looking up some place else to find some tool that lets you ’convert your books properly’.

I don’t remember having seen this written on my KOBO’s box.

Just my 2 cents…

[mramosch]

Originally Posted by PeterT

I will admit I wish that
A) rather than the fairly large books you post, you could post simpler books with minimal markup that exhibit the issue

What’s the difference?

I didn’t ask anybody to crack open my kepubs or analyze anything.


I simply asked whether somebody could


(A) ‘virginly’ open the (working) ebook on their KOBO device, navigate to the first few pages of ‘Chapter One’ and follow the five forward-links (footnotes) and their respective backlinks at the end of the chapter and confirm that forward-links force a pop-up to open and backlinks do NOT - but rather go straight back to the forward links as expected

(B) optional - do the same with the NON-working ebook just to confirm that its five backlinks really do NOT work as expected


Because the only thing that I can’t check for myself is how the 2 books behave on a device they have never been installed on before.


Step (B) is optional but it would help to rule out that the NON-working file suddenly behaves correctly just because the working file got loaded first and KOBO caching kicked in which could subsequently affect the NON-working file that got loaded after it.


That’s it!

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[Aleron Ives]

Originally Posted by mramosch

As far as I remember the box my KOBO came in said that it reads books in epub format.

It does, but Kobo is not required to provide all features for all book formats. If you read plain EPUB files, you don't get pop-up footnotes at all, for example. I guess you can blame Adobe for that, since Kobo didn't make RMSDK.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by mramosch

It’s already too much that a simple customer has to search the web to find a site where KOBO kindly show you some hacks to circumvent their bugs and proprietary corporate decisions. Just read this e.g.

• https://github.com/kobolabs/epub-spec/issues/32

And if they then tell me to rename my files I don’t think I have to ’accept the problems that go with it’ and I don’t have to care about looking up some place else to find some tool that lets you ’convert your books properly’.

Sadly, I read that entire discussion you linked to. I did not find a single reference to kepub, or renaming an .epub to .kepub.epub.

I take it that you are aware of the multiple ePub versions and that many items using newer epub attributes will requite a properly created .kepub.epub since the RMSDK version does not support much of the ePub3 specification.

And perhaps reading through the ePub specs noting the difference between items that labelled as must and items that are labelled as should or optional might help a bit.