Kindle Voyage's flushed screen: is it an improvement? (also, do I need a cover?)

[Josieb1]

I personally never use a reader without a cover, in fact I tend to have multiple covers per device. I've already ordered two covers for the Voyage, and book style and a stand cover. For me I always buy the extended insurance so the aim is to keep the Kindle for three years, so covers then tend not to be expensive in the scheme of things.

[dublincheri]

I have a case for my Paperwhite and use it if I'm throwing it into a bag for travel. But I find the extra bulk much less comfortable to hold than a "naked" (just a decorative vinyl skin) Kindle so once I'm home or at my destination out it comes. I agree it's a risk, but one I'm happy to take in favor of comfort. If I go ahead with the Voyage I might just make a sleeve for it until I see a case I like.

[pendragginp]

Originally Posted by pendragginp

Um - what on earth happened that you had to dry two different readers? Inquiring minds want to know!

And - to keep this on subject - would whatever it was not have happened had said readers not been naked?

Never mind, I see that you broke 2 DISHES while drying them, not two readers. DUH.

Going off for coffee now....

[Psykhe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

How many times do you take a dish out of the house?

Irellevant. HarryT was speaking about in-house use of a reader.

Outside I am using a sleeve as said already multiple times. But you usually wouldn't use one inside the house, therefore HarryTs comment.

How many times do you put your dishes in places where you can easy put something heavy on it?

Exactly as often as I put my reader in places where I can easily put something heavy on it. In short, pretty rarely.

You were lucky. If your Reader had broken, would you be using a case now?

No. Because the prime reason the reader would have broken wasn't because I didn't use a cover but because I was dumb enough to throw it across half the room onto an elastic surface.

I can tell you, I've read of more people breaking a naked Reade then a Reader in a case, This is not overstated.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=58

But crossie is talking about a specialized $75 case. You don't have to spend that much on a case. So I don't think that counts.

Except I wasn't. I was using the price for the Kindle PW covers.

But would you really want to buy a 2-year old Reader with a battery that could be on it's way out?

Because that is the equivalent of the reader I would have broken. If I brake a 2 -year old PW reader I do not destroy ~$110 worth of a new current gen PW but ~$40 of a used 2 year old last-gen PW.

The aim is not to make an upgrade, but to be in exactly the same situation as one was before breaking it.

Read above about more people breaking naked Readers and you'll see it is not ridiculous.

By that logic it is not ridiculous to say "you are foolish not to use a helmet in the car" because you can read about people getting head injuries in car crashes.

"I've read that someone happened X in situation Y" is in itself meaningless. It only shows that X can happen in situation Y".
It doesn't quantify in any way that chance of X happening in situation Y.

[kaufman]

Is there anyone still reading this thread still expecting to convince anyone?

I keep meaning to unsubscribe, but I stay on out of inertia.

[JSWolf]

Irellevant. HarryT was speaking about in-house use of a reader.

Outside I am using a sleeve as said already multiple times. But you usually wouldn't use one inside the house, therefore HarryTs comment.

You can still break a Reader in house by putting something on top o it, not noticing it's there and then putting something heaviy on it. It's too easy to do.

Exactly as often as I put my reader in places where I can easily put something heavy on it. In short, pretty rarely.

You didn't say never, so all it takes is that once and the Reader is broken.

No. Because the prime reason the reader would have broken wasn't because I didn't use a cover but because I was dumb enough to throw it across half the room onto an elastic surface.

I disagree. The prime reason it would have broken is because it wasn't protected. You are just lucky it didn't break.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=58

People tend to post when there is a problem and a broken Reader is a problem. So if you go by just the broken Readers, then what I've read is more people breaking them without a cover then with.

Except I wasn't. I was using the price for the Kindle PW covers.

Then you obviously didn't look at Kindle covers in any real detail. You can get a cover for $9 on up to $75 Oberon cover. So no, you do not have to spend a lot to get a cover.

Because that is the equivalent of the reader I would have broken. If I brake a 2 -year old PW reader I do not destroy ~$110 worth of a new current gen PW but ~$40 of a used 2 year old last-gen PW.

The aim is not to make an upgrade, but to be in exactly the same situation as one was before breaking it.

What if the battery was not all that wonderful in this replacement Reader and it's one where there isn't an easily available replacement battery for it? Then you've bought a Reader that you will have to replace because of the battery. So not only would it cost you a new Reader, but also, the cost of the used Reader.

By that logic it is not ridiculous to say "you are foolish not to use a helmet in the car" because you can read about people getting head injuries in car crashes.

I've read that someone happened X in situation Y" is in itself meaningless. It only shows that X can happen in situation Y".
It doesn't quantify in any way that chance of X happening in situation Y.

So let's all wear helmets in cars. You first.

[Psykhe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You can still break a Reader in house by putting something on top o it, not noticing it's there and then putting something heaviy on it. It's too easy to do.

So easy that I never ever broke anything in my house by doing this. Be it a dish, a glass, a reader or a waffle. What in gods name are you doing at home?

People tend to post when there is a problem and a broken Reader is a problem. So if you go by just the broken Readers, then what I've read is more people breaking them without a cover then with.

You might want to rephrase this. I doubt anyone but you can make sense of this,

So no, you do not have to spend a lot to get a cover.

Any have an even worse experience. Good or cheap, pick one.

What if the battery was not all that wonderful in this replacement Reader

What if is better than my old reader? Then I will actually have a better version cause I didn't use a cover! Imagine the possibilities!

In short, I could get a worse one I could get a better one, most likely I will still get an equal one. Your point is pointless.

So let's all wear helmets in cars. You first.

I'll pass. That would be almost like using a cover for my reader or extended warranties. In short, for me a waste of money for if anything a worse experience.

[Haesslich]

I consider a cover to be like insurance - you hope you never NEED it, but when you do it's there to save you huge costs.

Accidents happen - just one jostled arm or someone dropping something heavy and pointy on the screen may be ask it'll take to wreck it. If I just spent $220/$270 on a Voyage, I wouldn't want to explain to Amazon why I need an exchange because 'it broke'.

It usually can't hurt to have one on, unless it's very poorly designed. I'd always recommended some sort of case or cover be used with an ereader, at least until they make one that's actually indestructible - something that I have yet to see happen with complex electronics containing lithium batteries and glass-substrate screens.

[schulzmc]

In light of the discussion in this thread I thought this paragraph from the Wired review was interesting...

And if you should happen to drop the Voyage while fumbling with the charger, don’t fret. This is no delicate tab. Even though it’s only 7.6mm thick (vs the Paperwhite’s 9.1) and 6.4 ounces (vs the Paperwhite’s 7.5) it takes falls like a stuntman. I threw it onto my hardwood floor 100 times (sorry, Neighbors!) and barely even nicked the thing. Then I took it to work and threw it around the office like a crazy person. No damage. I carried it to and from work in my bag with the cover off for most of a week, and I can’t find a scratch on the screen. It’s a beast.

[FizzyWater]

Yikes! I can't imagine doing anything like that with my reader!

[Canuck_in_Japan]

I think the latest Engadget review mentioned how much more comfortable the new Voyage is to hold without rather than with the official cover. It's comfortable to go naked, people!

[Haesslich]

Originally Posted by schulzmc

In light of the discussion in this thread I thought this paragraph from the Wired review was interesting...

And if you should happen to drop the Voyage while fumbling with the charger, don’t fret. This is no delicate tab. Even though it’s only 7.6mm thick (vs the Paperwhite’s 9.1) and 6.4 ounces (vs the Paperwhite’s 7.5) it takes falls like a stuntman. I threw it onto my hardwood floor 100 times (sorry, Neighbors!) and barely even nicked the thing. Then I took it to work and threw it around the office like a crazy person. No damage. I carried it to and from work in my bag with the cover off for most of a week, and I can’t find a scratch on the screen. It’s a beast.

I'm not sure the writer's definition of throwing is the same as mine - I'm sceptical about the claims that they dropped it "100 times" or they were throwing it any way other than a few inches above a cushioned surface. Unless there's video of them tossing it forcefully around like a Frisbee and dropping it 6 feet to a hardwood floor for several hours straight to get the "100" times ... not unless that screen, the logic board, and battery are seriously shock-proofed and not using a glass substrate for the screen.

[Josieb1]

I'll still want a case regardless of what they say, but definitely not the origami case.

[dublincheri]

Originally Posted by schulzmc

In light of the discussion in this thread I thought this paragraph from the Wired review was interesting...

I read that and thought YES! I'll still make a sleeve for it to travel in, but won't worry about putting it in a case. Not that I have any plans to drop or throw it anywhere, but naked devices are so much more comfortable to hold.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

I think the latest Engadget review mentioned how much more comfortable the new Voyage is to hold without rather than with the official cover. It's comfortable to go naked, people!

It's always been comfortable to go naked.