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Old 03-08-2012, 01:09 PM   #76
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The end result? No difference whatsoever. As I've stated in another thread, I've done exactly that myself - bought another complete set of HP books, and download the pirated eBooks.

However, my point is that it's unreasonable to expect media companies not to regard this as piracy. They cannot know that I've bought the extra set of books, and I rather suspect that most people who download the pirated books do not do this. I regard the media companies as being absolutely within their rights to come after illegal downloaders.
I love how disconnected the DMCA is from the experiences of normal people. It's morally okay to rip your own DVDs and It's morally okay to engage a 3rd party to do the ripping by downloading from a torrent site, but both are illegal. Media companies are within their rights to go after downloaders, but downloaders should have a balancing defence for media shifting; the lack of balance in the DMCA and similar pieces of copyright legislation is the real problem. Expecting a balanced approach to copyright law is not unreasonable.
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I love how disconnected the DMCA is from the experiences of normal people. It's morally okay to rip your own DVDs and It's morally okay to engage a 3rd party to do the ripping by downloading from a torrent site, but both are illegal. Media companies are within their rights to go after downloaders, but downloaders should have a balancing defence for media shifting; the lack of balance in the DMCA and similar pieces of copyright legislation is the real problem. Expecting a balanced approach to copyright law is not unreasonable.
Ethics and the law became disconnected a long time ago. All that matters now is greed.
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Succint, and accurate. In many more realms than copyright.
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Succint, and accurate. In many more realms than copyright.

Not really all that accurate, fortunately, and overly simplistic at best.

EXCEPT in the realm of copyright, where it seems to be right on the nose.
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Not really all that accurate, fortunately, and overly simplistic at best.

EXCEPT in the realm of copyright, where it seems to be right on the nose.
Really? Maybe I'm overly jaundiced by the likes of "The K Street Project", Grover Norquist, the Koch brothers, "Citizens United", SuperPAC's and 501(c) corporations?

You may be right though, sometimes there is a little gold in the dung.
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I love how disconnected the DMCA is from the experiences of normal people. It's morally okay to rip your own DVDs and It's morally okay to engage a 3rd party to do the ripping by downloading from a torrent site, but both are illegal. Media companies are within their rights to go after downloaders, but downloaders should have a balancing defence for media shifting; the lack of balance in the DMCA and similar pieces of copyright legislation is the real problem. Expecting a balanced approach to copyright law is not unreasonable.
On that I don't agree.

Format shifting should be legal as should the tools to do so, however, it should be up to the individual to do the shifting or a 3rd party that knows you have the right to do so.

Torrenting a movie to save doing the re-encode yourself doesn't sit well with me because there's no way for the person(s) distributing the torrent to know the people downloading have the right to do so.

That's in contrast to you ripping/encoding a film at home, your neighbour pops round (who you know also owns the film) and asks for a copy to save them the time. That would be fine imo.
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Really? Maybe I'm overly jaundiced by the likes of "The K Street Project", Grover Norquist, the Koch brothers, "Citizens United", SuperPAC's and 501(c) corporations?

You may be right though, sometimes there is a little gold in the dung.
Please try to keep to the thread topic, and not veer off into territory that is best left to the Politics and Religion forum.
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Please try to keep to the thread topic, and not veer off into territory that is best left to the Politics and Religion forum.
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I'd rather just them give me an iTunes code for the movie. This seems like too much work. But I also can do this service myself at home, which I have.
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I'd rather just them give me an iTunes code for the movie.
Not enough friction
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Is this what they were talking about? It looks like a Walmart and Ultraviolet exclusive.
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Is this what they were talking about? It looks like a Walmart and Ultraviolet exclusive.
Such a mess.
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Relevant blog post from a developer of DVD tools I like:
http://www.tools4movies.com/2012/01/digital-copies/
(note, I'm pretty sure his first language is not English.)
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