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Old 06-08-2016, 08:37 PM   #811
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Anyone recognize this book?

The main character was a woman in her 20-30s. At some point in the book her and the male love interest were at some type of event (separately, I believe). I think it was black tie, but I could be wrong. Anyway, the woman was wearing spanx or something similar under her clothes that ended up being too tight. A while into the party she starts to get lightheaded and cant breathe. The guy notices or she get his attention and they escape to the bathroom where he tries to help her get out of them. I think he ended up cutting them off? Overall I feel like the book was comical and sweet.

Not a category but a longer romance and more recent, like last 5-6 years.
No clue but now I wanna read it!

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OMG did you just say Trashy? Romance novels are not Trashy. There are some sexier or hotter than others but Trashy is a good way to offend a Romance reader like the subscribers of this thread.

And saying clean that terms irks me. It implies books with sex scenes are dirty. I think you can say tender or sweet or chaste to books that contain no sex.

All that said thanks for sharing. I'll have to take a look at them.

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OMG did you just say Trashy? Romance novels are not Trashy. There are some sexier or hotter than others but Trashy is a good way to offend a Romance reader like the subscribers of this thread.
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May I suggest that perhaps we should find out what specifically someone means by "trashy" before jumping to conclusions about it? Someone who talks about "clean romance" might simply mean there is sex in them, and I for one, have absolutely no objections to that.

I do object to romances that brag about being a "CLEAN romance" so I will not waste my time on any of them. I will instead take pride in enjoying what someone with a very different taste in books might refer to as "trashy romance". it's not my fault, or problem, that they don't know better.

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I take everything back. I read the free Kindle sample of one of the books, and it is trashy. Or rather, it is trash. I think I read better writing in my 9th grade poetry class.

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Old 06-09-2016, 12:04 AM   #815
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I think they made it very clear in their post "trashy" meant sexy not badly written. They then went in to say the books are clean romance which is in the title of each book..

My clean comment was just an annoyance at the author not the poster. The trashy comment was directed at the poster. I find it poor taste to come into a romance thread and insult romances that are sexy. It was not welcomed or needed. I do not read trash. Most of here will agree that they do not either.

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I think they made it very clear in their post "trashy" meant sexy not badly written.
Then they obviously need to do their homework and learn the true meaning of what constitutes "trashy" before they try to use that word in a sentence...

(Eyeroll at them, not at you. You and I are in agreement, we're just saying it in different ways.)

Genuine romance requires sex. Whether the author chooses to go into explicit details or not is irrelevant, it needs to be there in some form or fashion. Referring to that as trashy is delusional and demeaning, and kind of stupid.
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:32 AM   #817
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I don't know if I agree with a romance has to have sex in it. I've read some really good ones without any.

Some of the early regencies do not have any sex at all but kissing is really needed for a HEA. I think kissing is a necessity even if it's at the end of the novel otherwise the romance isn't believable.

I do think we are on the same page about the trashy comment.

I myself read all kinds of romances to just kisses to really hot. If the hot scenes become just filler sex I skimmed over them but if they are used as a character arc then I will read them.

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Some of the early regencies do not have any sex at all but kissing is really needed for a HEA. I think kissing is a necessity even if it's at the end of the novel otherwise the romance isn't believable.
Not really for me. I've read some very good and romantic books by Lynn Kurland and at a lot of them, no kiss.

And I accept that talking about a romance book as "trashy" as opposite as "clean" has sounded quite bad for this poor Spanish speaker

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I don't know if I agree with a romance has to have sex in it. I've read some really good ones without any.
Genuine romance requires sex. That doesn't mean romance novels have to spell out every single part of said sexual encounter.

I suspect the original use of "trashy" might have been intended to refer to erotic romances, or even erotica. In which case, I still don't think dismissing it as trashy is either respectful or accurate. Filler sex scenes can be very enjoyable to read, if done right.

Intimacy on the other hand does not require physical contact of any form... and is not to be confused with romance.
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I have not read her books now I'm curious. No kissing at all? Is it fade to black or just no signs of affections at all?

Even inspiration romances have holding hands, hugs and yes kisses. Some chaste kisses but some of the more recent published have longer kissing and before marriage. I find that refreshing and realistic.

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I have not read her books now I'm curious. No kissing at all? Is it fade to black or just no signs of affections at all?

Even inspiration romances have holding hands, hugs and yes kisses. Some chaste kisses but some of the more recent published have longer kissing and before marriage. I find that refreshing and realistic.

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A bit black and the signs of affection are tender, more than other things. There's an awful book by her, but there are some cute books. I read them from time to time.
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Then they obviously need to do their homework and learn the true meaning of what constitutes "trashy" before they try to use that word in a sentence...

(Eyeroll at them, not at you. You and I are in agreement, we're just saying it in different ways.)

Genuine romance requires sex. Whether the author chooses to go into explicit details or not is irrelevant, it needs to be there in some form or fashion. Referring to that as trashy is delusional and demeaning, and kind of stupid.
The uber-literary genre "Romance" does not "require sex", nor do many of its subgenres, e.g., see this excerpt from Wikipedia: Romance novel: Definition:
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Romance novels are sometimes referred to as "smut" or female pornography,[13][14] and are the most popular form of modern erotica for women.[15] While some romance novels do contain more erotic acts, in other romance novels the characters do no more than kiss chastely. The romance genre runs the spectrum between these two extremes.[16]
However, reading the entire "Definition" section of the above-mentioned "Wikipedia: Romance novel" article indicates kissing isn't necessarily required, either, for a book to be classified as a romance.

Like you and some others in this forum, I dislike the use of the words "clean" (used in the titles or descriptions of some books, which implies other romance novels are "dirty") or "trashy" to describe romance novels. Rather, just as I like the way the mystery genre has introduced the term "cozy" to describe the subgenre of "crime fiction in which sex and violence are downplayed or treated humorously, and the crime and detection take place in a small, socially intimate community", I like the way All Romance uses the "heat rating" system to indicate where various romance books lie on the chaste-highly erotic spectrum.

On another note, some of the words used to protest the use of "trashy" are as undiplomatic and poorly chosen as the word being protested against.

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Some of Elizabeth Lowell's old category romances had scenes hot enough to scorch, and the couple wasn't even touching each other, yet. She could really stoke the heat!

As I recall, the books I am thinking of are Reckless Love, Fire & Rain, Outlaw, Granite Man, Warrior.

Another is Sweet Wind, Wild Wind, and I just discovered that BPL has the audio book! Downloading now!

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As I recall, the books I am thinking of are Reckless Love, Fire & Rain, Outlaw, Granite Man, Warrior.

Another is Sweet Wind, Wild Wind, and I just discovered that BPL has the audio book! Downloading now!
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