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Old 09-18-2010, 02:51 AM   #796
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You are not adding Kindle 3 to your collection ? :P
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Will any one of them display Google pdfs and internet archive pdfs in a readable way?
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You are not adding Kindle 3 to your collection ? :P
Already have it.
Got it about 3 weeks ago. But I'm not very fond of it. Don't like the tiny 5-way-button. Prefer DX Graphite. Right now I'm playing with Dell Streak - bit of a disappointment though.
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Will any one of them display Google pdfs and internet archive pdfs in a readable way?
I'm not that much into PDFs, so I didn't try very intensively.
But so far, I found most of the ePaper readers not very satisfying for (any kind of) PDFs.
Probably iRex 1000S or iRex 800 work best for PDFs. and even iPad may be an option. Kindle DX for example only does have have very basic PDF support.
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I'm not that much into PDFs, so I didn't try very intensively.
But so far, I found most of the ePaper readers not very satisfying for (any kind of) PDFs.
Probably iRex 1000S or iRex 800 work best for PDFs. and even iPad may be an option. Kindle DX for example only does have have very basic PDF support.
The iPad makes an excellent PDF reader with the "GoodReader" app. It works very well indeed for Google books.
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I'm not that much into PDFs, so I didn't try very intensively.
But so far, I found most of the ePaper readers not very satisfying for (any kind of) PDFs.
Probably iRex 1000S or iRex 800 work best for PDFs. and even iPad may be an option. Kindle DX for example only does have have very basic PDF support.
Have you seen the new Pocketbook models presented in the IFA? Is anyone of them tempting you, perhaps the bigger ones in particular?
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You've been joking that "boat" actually is an acronym for "boost out another thousand" (or something similar)
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Have you seen the new Pocketbook models presented in the IFA? Is anyone of them tempting you, perhaps the bigger ones in particular?
I haven't been to IFA, so I've only seen the usual on the web.
Since I've got PocketBook 360, each new model from PocketBook certainly is an option.
But quite frankly, I'm reducing my purchases of ePaper units quite drastically.
For me, personally, the end of ePaper units is near.
I haven't got any problems with the display quality of iPad for example.
If the battery duration of such tablets comes closer to the one of ePaper, to me the single big advantage of ePaper is gone. I'm pretty sure, it's just a matter of time.
So I'll more likely check out Samsung Galaxy (the tablet, not the existing smart phones) than ePaper units.
I (probably) won't go for the new Sonys either.

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I'm not that much into PDFs, so I didn't try very intensively.
But so far, I found most of the ePaper readers not very satisfying for (any kind of) PDFs.
Probably iRex 1000S or iRex 800 work best for PDFs. and even iPad may be an option. Kindle DX for example only does have have very basic PDF support.
Any kind of PDF? The K3, the Sony650 and the BeBook Mini all show my PDF's perfectly. But those are made up for a 5" screen.

PDF's are very nice, as long as they are made for your screen size...
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Any kind of PDF? The K3, the Sony650 and the BeBook Mini all show my PDF's perfectly. But those are made up for a 5" screen.

PDF's are very nice, as long as they are made for your screen size...
Probably I'm too narrow minded concerning PDFs. Originally, PDFs had been designed to preserve the layout. If you've got Stephen King as a PDF (but why should you? There are way more advanced file formats available), reflowing will just do fine.
But if you've got "more advanced" files, I find the results not satisfying. There's always something missing. Graphics, tables, formulas, ....

So, you're right: "Any kind of PDF" is too absolute in its terms. I'd rephrase: All of my files, for which PDF as a file format did make sense, don't work very well on my ePaper readers.
They by far work best on "the bigger ones" (iRex 1000S for example), without reflow.
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Probably I'm too narrow minded concerning PDFs. Originally, PDFs had been designed to preserve the layout. If you've got Stephen King as a PDF (but why should you? There are way more advanced file formats available), reflowing will just do fine.
But if you've got "more advanced" files, I find the results not satisfying. There's always something missing. Graphics, tables, formulas, ....

So, you're right: "Any kind of PDF" is too absolute in its terms. I'd rephrase: All of my files, for which PDF as a file format did make sense, don't work very well on my ePaper readers.
They by far work best on "the bigger ones" (iRex 1000S for example), without reflow.
As long as it's specially made up for a certain screensize, it'll be fine if you have that certain screensize. I started to convert all my books to PDF (using LaTeX) because I didn't like the epub and mobipocket renderer on my BBMini. And yes, the advantage is that those same PDF's, which are made for my 5", all show exactly the same on my 6" devices.

And I cropped the margins on one "professional" PDF (which my husband uses for study atm), and that made it much more easy to use on his Kindle. It shows only a slightly smaller font-size than I'm used to on my BBMini.
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As long as it's specially made up for a certain screensize, it'll be fine if you have that certain screensize. I started to convert all my books to PDF (using LaTeX) because I didn't like the epub and mobipocket renderer on my BBMini. And yes, the advantage is that those same PDF's, which are made for my 5", all show exactly the same on my 6" devices.

And I cropped the margins on one "professional" PDF (which my husband uses for study atm), and that made it much more easy to use on his Kindle. It shows only a slightly smaller font-size than I'm used to on my BBMini.
Sorry for asking very basic questions, but I didn't experiment with PDFs yet:
Let's assume, the "original" document is DIN A4, does have 25 lines, on average 8 words per line and on average 150 letters per line.
What could I do with this document?
a.) I could stick to it, read it in landscape = basically split it in 2 portions.
That's workable, at least the original layout remains intact.
But it's not very convenient.
b.) I could zoom "fit to page" (or width). Probably you can't read the text anymore.
On iRex iLiad you could zoom into the area on interest. This would be fine to check a formula, a graph or a single sentence. But you can't read an entire document of course.
c.) You could re-format the file.
What does this mean?
Does this mean, instead of 8 words per line in DIN A4, it would be 5 words for example in DIN A5?
Wouldn't this basically be the same as reflowing the text?
What about formulas and graphs?
What about columns?
(Of course, you could DTP the whole document).
--->Does switching the PDF driver to DIN A5 output format really work?
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Sorry for asking very basic questions, but I didn't experiment with PDFs yet:
Let's assume, the "original" document is DIN A4, does have 25 lines, on average 8 words per line and on average 150 letters per line.
What could I do with this document?
a.) I could stick to it, read it in landscape = basically split it in 2 portions.
That's workable, at least the original layout remains intact.
But it's not very convenient.
b.) I could zoom "fit to page" (or width). Probably you can't read the text anymore.
On iRex iLiad you could zoom into the area on interest. This would be fine to check a formula, a graph or a single sentence. But you can't read an entire document of course.
c.) You could re-format the file.
What does this mean?
Does this mean, instead of 8 words per line in DIN A4, it would be 5 words for example in DIN A5?
Wouldn't this basically be the same as reflowing the text?
What about formulas and graphs?
What about columns?
(Of course, you could DTP the whole document).
--->Does switching the PDF driver to DIN A5 output format really work?
I just happened to notice this topic on the main page and came to check it out. (wow at the amount you spend monthly: couple of years ago, €300 was my monthly paycheck)

As far as .pdf is concerned, I recently ran into the trouble of displaying a textbook on my 6" device. As per advice of one of the members here, I created a Word 2007 template for my .pdfs: I set the size of paper at 3.47# width and 4.54 height, margins .15" all around (though if you want to have a header and footer with information on author, title and page number, it would be good to increase the top and bottom margins). Font size is 10. This gives me a clear, readable .pdf. the images mostly fit on half a page, or if they're larger, one page without losing any readability. I save it as .pdf, and Word creates bookmarks for me. I'm very happy with my .pdf documents.
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I just happened to notice this topic on the main page and came to check it out. (wow at the amount you spend monthly: couple of years ago, €300 was my monthly paycheck)

As far as .pdf is concerned, I recently ran into the trouble of displaying a textbook on my 6" device. As per advice of one of the members here, I created a Word 2007 template for my .pdfs: I set the size of paper at 3.47# width and 4.54 height, margins .15" all around (though if you want to have a header and footer with information on author, title and page number, it would be good to increase the top and bottom margins). Font size is 10. This gives me a clear, readable .pdf. the images mostly fit on half a page, or if they're larger, one page without losing any readability. I save it as .pdf, and Word creates bookmarks for me. I'm very happy with my .pdf documents.
It's really interesting, how much personal experiences can differ.
If I look back some years, I'm again and again surprised, how cheap all those gadgets have gotten.
About 27 years (!!!) ago, my 5.25" disk drive (the glorious 1541) for Commodore C64 was 700 German marks (= € 350 today, without inflation).
Took me some months as a paper boy.....
Today, with way higher average income, customers complain about notebooks for € 800 being too expensive...

Of course I'm aware, that's "whining on high level" (as we say in Germany).
In lots of countries, entire families have to live from way less.....

Re. your explanation:
What happens with "complicated" documents?
With integrated graphics. Or with 2 or 3 columns of text.
And what would be the benefit, to convert from A4 PDF to A5 PDF? Wouldn't it make more sense, to go for ePub when already converting?
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Please don't take my comment as judging, I'm sure you work hard and it's your right to spend the money on what you desire. And though I make a decent salary now, €800 is still too expensive for me.

Back on topic, the textbook I had was available as an html document. When I loaded it, my e-reader didn't display all the characters present in my language, even after fixing the encoding. Converting it to epub didn't solve that problem, nor did embedding the fonts. I could never get all the characters to display properly. It was extremely distracting, considering I had to study it for an exam. It also had a several different sized graphics, as well as specially formatted pieces of text which had to stay formatted that way. That's why creating a document customized for my e-reader seemed like the perfect solution. Otherwise, yes, going to epub makes more sense. But sometimes, you really need to lock things into a certain display size.

And have in mind that I converted a .doc into a .pdf, so I had the chance of editing the page size, margins, font, and if the document had two columns I would have also converted it to a one-column document. Two columns on a 6" device are doable, but not very good. You would also have to make sure to contain any larger graphics in a non-breaking section and set it to one column if you wanted to keep the text two columns.

So, I think the key to a good .pdf is starting from an editable document and customizing it according to your needs before locking it in place.
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