Just ordered the EXOPC Slate

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by GreenMonkey

I'd rather have the "real" internet than 8000 different apps. Sorry. This mentality makes sense to me on a tiny device like an ipod touch or a smartphone. But on a 10+" screen? Not the same thing.

The real internet is not the flash abomination though that is dieing fast. It's open standards. And come on, you don't have to have 8000 apps just some key ones on tasks you do. Do you prefer going via google maps on a browser, or going into the proper app for that.

Other than that you make some good points, the thing is that the ipad is a paradigm shift, as was the first mac, in time people will get along with it. Funny thing is that it's so intuitive and so rich in applications that that -as we from the apple side expected to happen- it's sold better than most "analysts" and pc pundits wildest expectations. That's why everyone is shooting at apple at the moment. There's a lot of bitterness there from the average joe pc pundit who predictions and misgivings about the ipad where proven not only wrong but downright silly and irrelevant by the buying public. It's not nice when a company you ditch all the time continually outsells the staff one (gets paid to) promote(s) and produces far superior product.

You really have to use one to see how great multitouch and generally a touch interface designed from the bottom up is. The ips screen, the light weight, the large battery life, how great it is for photos and how immersive the whole experience is, etc. etc. There's no comparison to me really. Sure other things will be adequate, maybe even better in some legacy applications, but that's not saying much is it?

It's good that there is choice of course, and I am sure in time ms and of course the current arch copier that is google will catch up and emulate apple, they've always done that anyway, but apple again created a market and managed to dominate it. And that's saying a lot about the high standards in this company and of course the unparalleled leadership of Steve Jobs who dwarfs the Balmers of this world.

[CyGuy]

[QUOTE=harryE123;1103895]...There's a lot of bitterness there from the average joe pc pundit who predictions and misgivings about the ipad where proven not only wrong but downright silly and irrelevant by the buying public. It's not nice when a company you ditch all the time continually outsells the staff one (gets paid to) promote(s) and produces far superior product./QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you once again. I was actually very excited when I first heard about the iPad, and was ready to give one a try. But then the specs were released. It fell far short. They did get some things right for sure, but they messed up on the easy and obvious stuff. The iPad is not even close to being a "superior product" as you put it, there are just too many missing features and too many built-in restrictions...

[timezone]

Originally Posted by harryE123

That said when didn't the tec world mostly copy apple, first it was ms, now it's ms and google. That doesn't necessarily make for bad products btw, though it usually does. For sure they will be better of course imho than the win 7 ones.

Sure there is some truth to this statement but far from being an overwhelming truth.

1. Apple stole from Xerox Park the original GUI interface idea.
2. Iphone is a copy of the smartphone concept MS and others worked on before Apple
3. The iPod is just a hard drive and speaker at its basic level
4. The Mac OS is a Unix clone.
5. The ipad came from the early work of MS and others.

Apple's genius is marketing, fit and finish of products and licensing agreements with other industries to create a ecosystem.

[eswarjj]

why is this turning in to a bitter fight? there is no originality in this world. you just have evolution. there is no other company on earth that wants to project its brand based on the look and feel of not only its hardware (other than apple). what apple does is based on survival instincts. if people don't like it, they won't buy it. if people like exo pc and think it fits their bill, they will buy it also. it will be fun to see if people trust a company like exopc over apple (warranty issues and such). I have an ipad (my parents have one as well) and have ordered the Slate as well. Come the 25th of next month, I will be able to compare the 2. I bought this Slate because I don't have to scroll for a lot of documents including comics (i read a lot of graphic novels). that said, you can do most things with the iPad. The problems I have are mostly on the customization level .. examples would be making another browser the default, some youtube links not recognized and having to copy paste them in to the browser and change the url to point to the mobile version. Small pains to some but big pitas for me. The best I can do with even a JB is change the default browser (as in my iphone). But isn't an apple product just supposed to work??? Problem is it 'just works' for people with simple requirements and value security over customizability. I am tired of having to see to it that I don't inadvertently update the phone after apple deliberately pushes a 400MB update that does not do anything else but block the JB. Whatever floats your boat. Like I said in an earlier post, I would gladly ditch my iPhone for a good WebOs phone (when and if that happens).

[harryE123]

@esw I have a lot of respect for webos and palm. But in terms of strategy they messed it up, what the heck was the foleo about? Unsurprisingly a lot of fomer employees at apple, and of course the chief exec for it, worked on it. I hope some of the talent there is salvaged by hp and a product does arise. Of course I don't trust hp at all, but it's a good sign they ditched ms for their tablet, shows that some people are finally thinking with their heads.

btw, get icab or (ahhhh) I don't recall the other browsers name, instead of safari, both great browsers with so many excellent features. I esp. like icab. Look if you want to keep your jb, just don't upgrade. What can apple do? Cater for both those who want to hack the heck out of the device (and I respect that) and those who want it to be functional with minimum time invested in tweaking it? Surely you understand they can't do both. Give them at least some credit for allowing you to jb. Could you jb ms office or ms windows and hack the heck out of it? Of course you couldn't.

So why don't you complain about that? Apple could have instigated ms type checks and activation codes and all that jazz and bricked your jailbroken phone/ipad as ms do with software that is tampered with. Yet they don't. They don't even delete apps that somehow passed from the app store (tethering app) and were later withdrawn, although they could. The average laptop/tablet sold comes with a layer of manufacturers crapware, bloatware, adware, antiviruses etc. etc. I know I 've had a few. Yet apple doesn't have any of that, so how is forcing junk on users? Mobile carriers and companies take android, and soon, mobile 7, and force on top of them all sorts of junkware and restrictions (that's why skype only runs on verizon android phones...) by their brand, be it sony, motorolla, etc. Apple, again, doesn't do any of that.

Originally Posted by timezone

Sure there is some truth to this statement but far from being an overwhelming truth.

1. Apple stole from Xerox Park the original GUI interface idea.
2. Iphone is a copy of the smartphone concept MS and others worked on before Apple
3. The iPod is just a hard drive and speaker at its basic level
4. The Mac OS is a Unix clone.
5. The ipad came from the early work of MS and others.

Apple's genius is marketing, fit and finish of products and licensing agreements with other industries to create a ecosystem.

Wow, . This has got to be the most misguided claims I have ever read on apple, and I 've read a lot.

1. Nope they didn't steal it, they ask for permission to use it, non other than apple saw the potential then. Apple did. Xerox park was open to all, why didn't others or xerox themselves commercialize it, because they didn't see the potential? So, wrong.

2. This has got to be the most preposterous lie I 've read on the iphone. Kudos though for sheer propagandist inventiveness. The origins of the iphone are in the newton (as with the ipad) way back and further than anything ms thought of. And if ms was working on a touch phone before apple how come they created their half baked mobile os's for dumb phones with buttons and with a desktop paradigm? Like I said, this has go to be the most shameless lie I've read on the iphone...

3. Yeah there's nothing to the ipod, that's why apple owns the market since it's inception with 70% or so sales. Really nothing to it, anyone could do it, ms could, samsung could...oh wait but they didnt? And of course anyone could have invented the clickwheel then, another interface first...oh wait no one did!

4.Sure, anything you say, linux is a unix clone so that's worthless too, actually there are a multitude of unix compatible os's all stemming from the same great unix concept used and developed in academia and business for years, but of course they are worthless because you say so. Let alone that apple has a few thousand patents and innovations on top of that. Yes, like quicktime that ms was found had copied code VERBATIM in the windows media player and apple took them to court, only for ms to settle and strategically offer to release office for the mac to appease apple.

5. The ipad is the early work of ms, hahahahah, this is for belly laughs. It's apple's newton and the message pad (so now you now why histrorically they used that name (pad) again). And if it's ms's work how come ms sadly doesn't have anything to show for it again, absolutely ludicrous.

Having said that I really do envy your gall is writing these...unbelievable. Like I said I 've never read such concentrated blatant lies on apple ever.

[timezone]

1. Steal or ask permission it was all about Apple making the claim that they were the originators. Ask any Apple fanboy and they will say the GUI interface, mouse, etc was there idea. That was the point.

2. The Newton now is such old technology that you might be able to claim that it help start an idea. Certainly the iphone is a smartphone. You want to claim the iPad came from Newton then that is fine but they got as many ideas from Microsoft's first attempts. Why not write about the failed Newton as a reason why Apple can't make a Slate. Oh they did the ipad just as the EXOPC will be very successful despite the failed first attempts.

3. You prove my point. It is all about marketing and licensing. They are geniuses when it comes to building an infrastructure. This really isn't a put down. Developing a product or idea is only half of the work. You just can't see beyond your misplaced anger.

4. Again you prove my point. In no way was I putting Apple down. You are so mad at a world that doesn't speak Appletalk. You drank the cool aid. My point is Apple is all about marketing and licensing. Doesn't mean the products are bad. I am just making the point that Apple is another me to company.

You should really lighten up and take a few deep breadths.

[SameOldStory]

Hay folks, REMEMBER THIS?
.

Originally Posted by timezone

As an EXOPC forum member I was able to preorder the EXOPC Slate. Will be shipped on Oct 15th. Mainly because of the ePub/Mobipocket exclusivity issues with eReaders I decided to leave the world of great screens but with terrible exclusivity issues. With Amazon now offering kindle software options for different devices why are they still doing there best to kill eReaders?

I will now be able to read any book, magazines and newspapers. No matter the format I can install on this Windows 7 Slate. Nice size for PDF's and will have Wifi. Cons are a heavier than the eReaders and may produce some heat but I like the tradeoff.

That IS what the thread is about.

At the risk of being flamed;
harryE123, we understand. You don't like MS Windows AT ALL. Everything other than Apple is bad. Linux is kinda ok.

Can you just give it a rest?

AGAIN >>>>
This IS what the thread is about.
Just ordered the EXOPC Slate

Please stop beating a dead horse.

[vaughnmr]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

Hay folks, REMEMBER THIS?
.

That IS what the thread is about.

Thank you!!!!

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Fbone

4 hours of battery life is very short

4 hours!!!?? Thats worse than my Google G1 phone when i was hammering it, and thats saying summat!!
Crikey my reader is reported to go for 2 weeks!

[timezone]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory
Hay folks, REMEMBER THIS?
.

That IS what the thread is about.


Thank you!!!!

I agree even though I did contribute to the diversion. I just felt some of the messages required a response.

[timezone]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

4 hours!!!?? Thats worse than my Google G1 phone when i was hammering it, and thats saying summat!!
Crikey my reader is reported to go for 2 weeks!

I don't believe it is fair to count phone battery life to a slate. Having said that the four hours is a bit of a concern. I am usually near an outlet and I do have a battery pack. For me I see it as a minor inconvenience but nothing that will stop me in my tracks. Time will tell. My expectations are the battery issues will be resovled in the next one or two upgrades.

[SameOldStory]

It's hard not to respond to baiting. And if you don't respond, they think that they won.

But I am interested in the EXOPC Slate, and others. We all know that most slates/MIDS are going to have a problem competing with e-ink re. power consumption. But then too they’ll also have some advantages.

You gave some of the reasons what you want it for, but why did you choose the EXOPC Slate over the others?

[eswarjj]

I have a lot of respect for webos and palm. But in terms of strategy they messed it up, what the heck was the foleo about? Unsurprisingly a lot of fomer employees at apple, and of course the chief exec for it, worked on it. I hope some of the talent there is salvaged by hp and a product does arise. Of course I don't trust hp at all, but it's a good sign they ditched ms for their tablet, shows that some people are finally thinking with their heads.

--- they did mess up and that's what I am speaking of also

btw, get icab or (ahhhh) I don't recall the other browsers name, instead of safari, both great browsers with so many excellent features. I esp. like icab. Look if you want to keep your jb, just don't upgrade. What can apple do? Cater for both those who want to hack the heck out of the device (and I respect that) and those who want it to be functional with minimum time invested in tweaking it? Surely you understand they can't do both. Give them at least some credit for allowing you to jb. Could you jb ms office or ms windows and hack the heck out of it? Of course you couldn't.

--- that's like saying you want to JB OSX. Also the proximity sensor was screwed up. You are asking me not to upgrade? I could literally not use the phone without it being on speaker or the crappy earphone apple provides (sorry this is the one thing I really hate apple for. I hate ms for more than one reason. If only multimedia was to work on any gnu based system, I would have moved so long ago. That why I prefer Os x)

So why don't you complain about that? Apple could have instigated ms type checks and activation codes and all that jazz and bricked your jailbroken phone/ipad as ms do with software that is tampered with. Yet they don't. They don't even delete apps that somehow passed from the app store (tethering app) and were later withdrawn, although they could.

--- I thought we were discussing jailbreak and since you are involving discussion on piracy, I am going to assume you have no clue on this topic at all.

The average laptop/tablet sold comes with a layer of manufacturers crapware, bloatware, adware, antiviruses etc. etc. I know I 've had a few. Yet apple doesn't have any of that, so how is forcing junk on users? Mobile carriers and companies take android, and soon, mobile 7, and force on top of them all sorts of junkware and restrictions (that's why skype only runs on verizon android phones...) by their brand, be it sony, motorolla, etc. Apple, again, doesn't do any of that.

---- yes, androids policy sucks.. Agreed that apple was the first one. To popularize this. But so is the official google phone (the one that sucked and is not available anymore)
You still don't get the point. We are here to discuss the merits and demerits of what this Slate is about. You cannot discount a product just because it runs something you do not like. Think of how many like it. Let me give you a simple example of what you can not do with iOS. Say I use google search. I cannot use the AJAX functionality of suggestions based on what I just typed because the keyboard does not have arrow keys. Don't even bring up the magnifier thing. It does not cut it. The win7 ms kb sucks as well. But i can replace it without with something else when I becomes available and no one is going to release a patch to fix it.
Another example is for you to try typing this with the iPad as I am doing right now. I don't even want to talk about the scrolling part when I don't have a scrollbar available.

[eswarjj]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

It's hard not to respond to baiting. And if you don't respond, they think that they won.

But I am interested in the EXOPC Slate, and others. We all know that most slates/MIDS are going to have a problem competing with e-ink re. power consumption. But then too they’ll also have some advantages.

You gave some of the reasons what you want it for, but why did you choose the EXOPC Slate over the others?

Mainly the screen size. 9.7 does not cut it for most documents even on ink as reflow still sucks on any ink device that you want to use for non native formats or for diagram or tables for that matter.
Other than that I love expandable storage and non-reliance on iTunes to do my stuff. Plus I can dual boot to see if gnu is any good ... Also this is the best shot we've had at an osx tablet so far. I will try it for sure.

[eswarjj]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

It's hard not to respond to baiting. And if you don't respond, they think that they won.

But I am interested in the EXOPC Slate, and others. We all know that most slates/MIDS are going to have a problem competing with e-ink re. power consumption. But then too they’ll also have some advantages.

You gave some of the reasons what you want it for, but why did you choose the EXOPC Slate over the others?

I know it is hard. Just that I am not articulate enough to present my thoughts in one go. I just had to finish it. Thanks to you I realize I've got to finish the walking dead on the iPad before I get to try something else on the slate. Great thing about apple product is you don't lose money selling they second hand.