Marvel Comics App Debuts on iPad

[joblack]

Originally Posted by stustaff

Not if you already have them in PDF from marvel!

"Remember the PDF releases several years ago? You could buy the entire Spider Man (and others) collection from 1963 to 2006 for $45 and get 575 comics. ONLY FORTY-FIVE DOLLARS!!! With Marvel's new pricing scheme, that's now over $1000. And they were PDFs which allowed for viewing on any device. And I could back them up and I could share them."

you can still buy them

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

http://www.amazon.com/40-Years-of-th...ref=pd_cp_sw_0

That's no problem - a lot of Apple users are happy to pay more for less ...

[kad032000]

Originally Posted by stustaff

Not if you already have them in PDF from marvel!

"Remember the PDF releases several years ago? You could buy the entire Spider Man (and others) collection from 1963 to 2006 for $45 and get 575 comics. ONLY FORTY-FIVE DOLLARS!!! With Marvel's new pricing scheme, that's now over $1000. And they were PDFs which allowed for viewing on any device. And I could back them up and I could share them."

you can still buy them

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

http://www.amazon.com/40-Years-of-th...ref=pd_cp_sw_0

Those were great. I bought a few when they first came out. The biggest issue with those was that for comics like The Amazing Spider-Man and The Uncanny X-Men, you only got that particular title and missed out on all the other titles featuring those characters. For instance, you couldn't buy any Spectacular Spider-Man comics.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

You asked why a digital file has no value. The inability to resell it is the reason.

I do get that as I'm that way with video games. I get most used off trading sites, sell or trade them after beating them etc.

But I don't care with other things. Like books. I'm fine paying $5-10 for Kindle book to read once. I prefer the convenience vs. having a physical copy that just gets chucked in mass in donation bins when I move or run out of space anyway since I never bother selling or trading books.

I also don't view everything I buy as needing "value." Some times you're just paying for the experience. I have no problem dropping $8-14 or whatever on a movie ticket. I view paying $5-10 for an e-book as much the same--paying for the experience. It's not something I buy as an investment anticipating being able to sell it to recoup some costs etc.

But to each their own on that front. Digital content isn't for everyone. Like I said I don't buy it in some areas and do in others.

[joblack]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I do get that as I'm that way with video games. I get most used off trading sites, sell or trade them after beating them etc.

But I don't care with other things. Like books. I'm fine paying $5-10 for Kindle book to read once. I prefer the convenience vs. having a physical copy that just gets chucked in mass in donation bins when I move or run out of space anyway since I never bother selling or trading books.

I also don't view everything I buy as needing "value." Some times you're just paying for the experience. I have no problem dropping $8-14 or whatever on a movie ticket. I view paying $5-10 for an e-book as much the same--paying for the experience. It's not something I buy as an investment anticipating being able to sell it to recoup some costs etc.

But to each their own on that front. Digital content isn't for everyone. Like I said I don't buy it in some areas and do in others.

You're not right - you can have unlimited using rights for digital content. It's just that Apple isn't a good company and rips their customers the money out of their pockets.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by joblack

You're not right - you can have unlimited using rights for digital content. It's just that Apple isn't a good company and rips their customers the money out of their pockets.

You're just an Apple hater. I'm not fanboy, as an iPod Nano I bought last month is the first (and currently only) Apple product I've ever owned.

But it's hardly unique to them.

Amazon and Sony e-books (along with other stores)? DRM'd to one account, no resell ability.

Most computer software in download form? Licensed to one machine/user, can't be sold.

Download games on the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 or Wii? Tied to your account, can't be resold.

There's not much digital content out there currently that you have the ability to sell etc. like you do physical property. And it's hardly just Apple putting DRM on stuff etc. It's a problem that plagues all areas of digital content, aside from music which if finally DRM free--even in iTunes.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

There's not much digital content out there currently that you have the ability to sell etc. like you do physical property. And it's hardly just Apple putting DRM on stuff etc. It's a problem that plagues all areas of digital content, aside from music which if finally DRM free--even in iTunes.

Only because customers demanded the right to play their music on any device they want, and to continue to be able to play it in the event of the company they bought it from going out of business or losing interest (like with Microsoft's mp3 service a while ago).

I was actually quite surprised that ebook sellers had decided to play the same trick on their customers. You wouldn't read a book as often as you listened to a music file, so probably the first time you find out you have to buy it again will be when you decide you want to read it again.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Only because customers demanded the right to play their music on any device they want, and to continue to be able to play it in the event of the company they bought it from going out of business or losing interest (like with Microsoft's mp3 service a while ago).

I was actually quite surprised that ebook sellers had decided to play the same trick on their customers. You wouldn't read a book as often as you listened to a music file, so probably the first time you find out you have to buy it again will be when you decide you want to read it again.

Yeah, we can only hope that as time goes on and markets expand we'll see DRM go away for books like it did for Music.

As I said above, I don't mind it much as I seldom re-read and with things like the Kindle apps for computers, Ipad, Phones etc. the access problem isn't as bad as it could be if you could only read it on your e-reader device.

Though ibooks has that problem since that app is only on the iPad currently. So if I got an iPad I'd probably mainly just use the Kindle app (already have a Kindle).

[DawnFalcon]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Yeah, we can only hope that as time goes on and markets expand we'll see DRM go away for books like it did for Music.

Yes, we can't have companies learning from the mistakes of other industries and short-cutting the process of losing a third of their customers for good, can we now.

[joblack]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Most computer software in download form? Licensed to one machine/user, can't be sold.

Download games on the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 or Wii? Tied to your account, can't be resold.

There's not much digital content out there currently that you have the ability to sell etc. like you do physical property. And it's hardly just Apple putting DRM on stuff etc. It's a problem that plagues all areas of digital content, aside from music which if finally DRM free--even in iTunes.

That's not true. I bought a lot of DRM free E-books from Addison Wesley which can be sold without any problems. O'Reilly E-Books are free from (most) DRM and the software I buy isn't DRM-investated (say goodbye to the slave DRM from Starcraft 2 and Steam).

As long as I'm not using it concurrently with several devices I'm fine.

I would rather say you're one of the marketing trained customers who accept bad quality in digital products ... but don't think everybody accepts that bad deal for the the buying customer

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by joblack

That's not true. I bought a lot of DRM free E-books from Addison Wesley which can be sold without any problems. O'Reilly E-Books are free from (most) DRM and the software I buy isn't DRM-investated (say goodbye to the slave DRM from Starcraft 2 and Steam).

As long as I'm not using it concurrently with several devices I'm fine.

I would rather say you're one of the marketing trained customers who accept bad quality in digital products ... but don't think everybody accepts that bad deal for the the buying customer

To be fair he did say most! And on that he is right, are their exceptions of course but the majority of digital media out there has some thing that stops you reselling it. You can't sell Xbox arcade games or ps3 dl games or your apps etc etc

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by stustaff

To be fair he did say most! And on that he is right, are their exceptions of course but the majority of digital media out there has some thing that stops you reselling it. You can't sell Xbox arcade games or ps3 dl games or your apps etc etc

Yep, I was just pointing out that Apple is hardly the only company with restrictive DRM.

Not saying there are no DRM free sources out there. Just pointing out that his hate of Apple (illustrated by some trolling in the Apple Devices forum a while back) is showing through there as there are plenty of other companies with the same type of restrictive DRM. So no need to just act like Apple is evil for doing it like no one else does the same thing.

I don't mind DRM much for books as I never re-read anything. When buying digital content with DRM, it just has to be something that I'm ok with paying the asking price knowing I may not have access to it down the road if I switch hardware, the company goes under etc.

If I'm not ok with that, I don't buy it. If it's something I just want to read once, and it's $5-10 (and not more than the print version) I'll pay it just for the convenience of not having a paper copy (or library) to hassle with getting rid of after I've read it.

I view it as a rental or movie ticket more or less I guess--paying to enjoy the content, not to own it per se. But even that's an exaggeration since it's so easy to strip DRM for those so inclined. I'd prefer DRM free, but it's no huge deal to me on something like books, comics etc. that I'll read once anyway.

[DawnFalcon]

Originally Posted by stustaff

You can't sell Xbox arcade games or ps3 dl games or your apps etc etc

Which is an illegal restriction which can and must fall when it's challenged in court (in the EU). This is not a good idea for building a business model on.

And the massive amount of sucking up to Apple (demonstrated by a load of trolling in the news forum, on an ongoing basis) completely disregarding the basic problems with their products and ignoring the fact that this forum talks about ereaders...and gasp, they get discussed rather than non-ereader producers as something "against Apple" when in fact it's self-defensive paranoia of the highest order.

And sure, it's "no huge deal" to commit multiple criminal offences by stripping DRM. Nothing AT ALL. When getting a darknet copy is only a civil offence.

[joblack]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Yep, I was just pointing out that Apple is hardly the only company with restrictive DRM.

Not saying there are no DRM free sources out there. Just pointing out that his hate of Apple (illustrated by some trolling in the Apple Devices forum a while back) is showing through there as there are plenty of other companies with the same type of restrictive DRM. So no need to just act like Apple is evil for doing it like no one else does the same thing.

It's funny how Apple freaks always see conspiracies and Apple bashing instead of legitim critique about a product and their marketing strategy.

If you want to buy overprized products which you can't use on later product go ahead. There are enough teens around who bought ringtones for mobile phones they don't use anymore.

If I want to use a software I want to buy and not rent it. Of course digital products are only licensed but I want an unlimited license and not that 'pay money and can't use it after some time' business model.

[dmaul1114]

Originally Posted by joblack

It's funny how Apple freaks always see conspiracies and Apple bashing instead of legitim critique about a product and their marketing strategy.

And it's funny how Apple haters act like Apple is the only company that does such things, when outside of all music the majority of digital content devices from major companies are plagued by DRM and and closed systems.

It is a legitimate criticism. It is not legitimate to act like it's exclusive to Apple.

And it's hardly oversized for everyone. If anything it's a tad undersized for some A4 PDFs I've put on it,and I'd love one with a screen an inch or so bigger diagonally.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by joblack

It's funny how Apple freaks always see conspiracies and Apple bashing instead of legitim critique about a product and their marketing strategy.

If you want to buy overprized products which you can't use on later product go ahead.

In the first sentence you make a blanket statement about people which buy an Apple device which you call "Apple freaks". But, ok... let's say you're supposition is correct.

But, then in the second sentence you totally blow it with a bunch of hyperbole and FUD rather than a legitimate critique.

Interesting.

BOb