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Old 06-23-2009, 03:23 PM   #61
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How could my statement be unfounded when I didn't make one? I asked a question.
I never said you did. I was saying that I didn't completly agree with BlackVoid's statement.

However in your question you did quote him out of context to better fit your arguement.

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Here is the thing I don't think anyone understands. I don't think either technology is better; both have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm just sick and tired of other people making unfounded claims of superiority.
So you agree with what I said but object to my use of the term "better".

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Wow... you get bright sunshine in your subways?

The "tube" is a subway, right?
Sarky beggar I was giving 2 different enviroments, but yes actually we do get bright sunshine in the parts of the "tube" network as about 55% of it is above ground .

(I am referencing wikipedia with that percentage, so it's probably wrong, but it's a large part of the network nevertheless)

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Old 06-23-2009, 03:25 PM   #62
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Old 06-23-2009, 07:06 PM   #63
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I never said you did. I was saying that I didn't completly agree with BlackVoid's statement.

However in your question you did quote him out of context to better fit your arguement.


So you agree with what I said but object to my use of the term "better".
When you said I was doing the same as blackvoid, I thought you meant I was making an unfounded statement. If that's not what you intended then never mind.

And I don't think I quoted him out of context. The meaning of that sentence didn't change.

I don't dispute that there are things that you can't do with LCDs that you can with epaper. But I never said there were any.

P.S. I didn't address this before, but color images in ebooks are important. That's why they're working on color epaper. Also, a faster refresh rate is useful for certain reading styles, basically when you flip through a book to find a certain part. Only reason I mentioned them is that epaper can't do it.
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Old 06-24-2009, 04:30 AM   #64
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You tell me where I can get an LCD device which is as readable as e-ink in bright sunshine and that doesn't give me migraines when reading on the tube...
Any transflective screen will do that. And I do speak out of experience.

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P.S. I didn't address this before, but color images in ebooks are important. That's why they're working on color epaper. Also, a faster refresh rate is useful for certain reading styles, basically when you flip through a book to find a certain part. Only reason I mentioned them is that epaper can't do it.
The only reason I didn't go to the next shop to buy an e-ink device as soon as I knew they were available (beside that Sony one way back when) is because of the refresh rate, actually. I'd seen a lot of youtube movies about it and, if I'm truthful, I'm still afraid it's just too long for my kind of reading.

For me, both have advantages and both have disadvantages. In the end, you need to decide whether the advantages are worth more than the disadvantages.

So, for me, the advantages of an e-ink screen would be the weight, thickness and batterylife. The disadvantages would be the lack of a touch-screen (at least on some models), colour and the lack of backlight. LCD is generally heavier, thicker and has a shorter battery life, but you'll get a colour screen, backlight and touchscreen in return.

You never use touchscreen? Then that's no advantage of LCD. You always read in daylight? Then a backlight would be useless. But you always read cartoons? Colour would be much more better than 4 or 8 grey scales. You generally read in bed and don't want to disturb your partner? Backlight is handy! etc, etc.

What I'd love to see people doing is stating why they don't like a device without just saying it sucks. A device isn't useless for a task because it misses one thing you might find important in such a device. You can mention that you find that thing missing and thus might be less useful for you.


Example:

I read 15 hours a day (no work, no kids, no husband), so I need a battery life that fits with that. And that SmartQ doesn't. The Sony has a battery life of 24 hours, so I can read a full day (and charge while asleep).

or

I read 2 hours a day, mostly at night. I don't want to wake my partner, so I'd rather have a backlight than a long battery life. And I don't want to mess around with those stupid reading lights as they always break or the battery is empty just when I need them. So, I'd rather take that SmartQ as that fits my reading style better. And who cares the battery is empty after 3 hours, I'll charge it when I'm sleeping anyway.

*above statements are completely made up and don't represent what I think!*
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When you said I was doing the same as blackvoid, I thought you meant I was making an unfounded statement. If that's not what you intended then never mind.

And I don't think I quoted him out of context. The meaning of that sentence didn't change.
You took a specifically qualified statement and quoted it without the qualifying statement. How can that not be out of context?

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I don't dispute that there are things that you can't do with LCDs that you can with epaper. But I never said there were any.
I'm sorry I'm having difficulty parseing that. Can you clarify what you mean here?

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P.S. I didn't address this before, but color images in ebooks are important. That's why they're working on color epaper.
Do you have a statement from the companies working on colour epaper to back that up or is it your opinion?

IMO That is only true for some books. But for the very vast majority I do not believe that is the case...

Sure it would be nice to get a colour cover etc etc. And It will open a whole new market for graphic novels/art books and the like (which is why I think they are working on it).

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Also, a faster refresh rate is useful for certain reading styles, basically when you flip through a book to find a certain part. Only reason I mentioned them is that epaper can't do it.
Hmm. I was under the impression that you can speed up the refresh rate by eliminating the flash. But that this would mean you get some ghosting between pages. I will admit however that this is not an option on either of the readers I own.
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