Forthcoming N605 model

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

Sure, but I couldn't justify the extra cost for pen features I'll never use, a worse battery than the Libra 2, and all the reports of weird problems like the buttons only working when they feel like it.

Well, the Libra 2 has had its own share of problems, like freezing and rebooting, and KOReader not working properly on it. As problems go, both the Sage and the Libra 2 have them, neither is bug-free. The last bug-free Kobo device was the Libra 1 aka Libra H2O.

[NiLuJe]

The buttons issue has been fixed (well, worked around while attempting to optimize something else, but I'll take it ;p) in KOReader, FWIW.

(The Libra 1 *also* had a weird EPDC issue (details), although it was less fatal, and more easily worked around).

Both the Libra 2 and the Sage have since seen a newer hardware revision with a different PMIC that may (or may not, reports are inconclusive; and the switch might just be a supply chain issue) alleviate some of their respective issues.

AFAIK, the Libra 2 *also* exhibits worse power efficiency than it ought to for an i.MX6-based device, so it's not entirely rosy... That's in addition to its ridonkulous (and fatal) EPDC issues.

(I wouldn't touch a Libra 2 with a 10-foot pole myself, while I'm happily running a Sage as my daily driver).

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

IMO the first Oasis was in no way a disaster. I liked it and it worked as expected, unlike the Kobo version of it (the Sage cover).

Just because it worked as expected does not mean it was/is a terrible design choice. It makes the device heavier then it would be if it had a decent battery instead of 2 half-assed batteries.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by tschucha

Maybe I'll get my Christmas wish for a 10 inch 300DPI e-reader. They'd have to do a warmlight feature on something like this I'm guessing. At least I'd hope so.

I don't like the warmlight. I don't use it on my Libra 2. What I might find useful is if the warmlight was able to change the color.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Just because it worked as expected does not mean it was/is a terrible design choice. It makes the device heavier then it would be if it had a decent battery instead of 2 half-assed batteries.

Nope. I read it without the cover and put it in only when not using it.

[JSWolf]

One the the advantages of using eInk instead of LCD/OLED is that the battery lasts a lot longer between charges. I don't get what the argument against having a better battery is.

If we had not been having this discussion and the new Kobo did come out with a much better battery, would all the nay-sayers still be nay-saying?

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One the the advantages of using eInk instead of LCD/OLED is that the battery lasts a lot longer between charges. I don't get what the argument against having a better battery is.

Increased weight, as you know perfectly well.

If we had not been having this discussion and the new Kobo did come out with a much better battery, would all the nay-sayers still be nay-saying?

If the new device was heavier than the Sage is, I'd complain loudly and probably wouldn't buy it.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Increased weight, as you know perfectly well.


If the new device was heavier than the Sage is, I'd complain loudly and probably wouldn't buy it.

I'd be happy with an 8" Kobo that has a heftier battery. I don't think it would be too heavy.

[Uncle Robin]

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

Sure, but I couldn't justify the extra cost for pen features I'll never use, a worse battery than the Libra 2, and all the reports of weird problems like the buttons only working when they feel like it.

The Sage is expensive, but how much of that is pen-specific, who knows? It has bluetooth and a larger memory capacity, both of which can be useful for audiobooks. The main expense related to the pen features are all optional. Where I live, the Sage is 15-20% dearer than the Oasis, a price difference that could well be largely due to the larger, newer screen. And as my previous post showed, reports of button problems have been overstated. They exist, obviously, but I would not have, and likely could not have, made something in the order of 200,000 clicks on those very same buttons if they were THAT flaky.

Your choice to believe the very worst of the device is exactly that - your choice. That you apparently choose to let the words of someone who rants about the Sage from a position of absolute ignorance (as is his wont generally) influence your perception is also your choice.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One the the advantages of using eInk instead of LCD/OLED is that the battery lasts a lot longer between charges. I don't get what the argument against having a better battery is.

If we had not been having this discussion and the new Kobo did come out with a much better battery, would all the nay-sayers still be nay-saying?

Another advantage is that eink is lighter than LCD/OLED tablets in part because of the screen itself.

The Sage battery outlasts my iPad and iPhone battery handily. It also weighs less than either one.

[Aleron Ives]

Originally Posted by Uncle Robin

The Sage is expensive, but how much of that is pen-specific, who knows? It has bluetooth and a larger memory capacity, both of which can be useful for audiobooks.

I avoid audiobooks as much as possible, so that's not a factor for me, but it's also irrelevant, since the Libra 2 also supports audiobooks. If it weren't for the pen support, I suspect the Sage would use the same CPU as the Libra 2, although of course I can't prove that.

Originally Posted by Uncle Robin

Your choice to believe the very worst of the device is exactly that - your choice. That you apparently choose to let the words of someone who rants about the Sage from a position of absolute ignorance (as is his wont generally) influence your perception is also your choice.

OK, two things here. Firstly, I'm not believing "the very worst" of the device. I looked at the price tag and the features offered over the Libra 2, and I decided the Sage wasn't worth it for my usage patterns.

Secondly, I chose the Libra over the Sage before even joining this forum, so your assertion that my perceptions are based on the rants of supposedly disreputable forum users is mistaken and also not appreciated. Please don't assume you know my reasons for doing things better than I do. I was merely saying that nothing I have read on this forum -- from any user -- has made me doubt my decision. I'm glad your Sage is working well for you. My Libra 2 is working well for me.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by rcentros

It looks like it's going to have a pen, so a new Elipsa?

When I wrote that I had forgotten that the Sage also had pen support -- so this could just as well be an updated Sage.

I'm not going to wade too far into the "bigger battery vs lighter weight" argument but, when I first read that the Sage would have 1200 mAh battery, I couldn't quite understand the logic. If I remember correctly, the the Sage supports a pen, and (I think) it has a faster CPU -- but even if it doesn't, it has more LEDs than the Libra 2 (which has a 1500 mAh battery). This decision didn't make a lot of sense to me. Even my PocketBook HD 3 has a 1500 mAh battery. How much more weight would it add to up the battery to 1500, 1800 or even 2000 mAh?

Maybe that's what this new Kobo is going to be, a Sage with a bigger battery.

EDIT: I looked up the weight difference between a 1200 and 2000 mAh LION battery. It's about 16 grams (24 - 40, or a bit over half an ounce). So a Sage with a 2000 mAh battery would weigh 256 grams instead of 240, or about 9 ounces instead of 8.5 ounces. From my perspective, that would be a pretty good trade-off.

[jaceygan]

Please be the successor to Kobo Aura One.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by rcentros

When I wrote that I had forgotten that the Sage also had pen support -- so this could just as well be an updated Sage.

I'm not going to wade too far into the "bigger battery vs lighter weight" argument but, when I first read that the Sage would have 1200 mAh battery, I couldn't quite understand the logic. If I remember correctly, the the Sage supports a pen, and (I think) it has a faster CPU -- but even if it doesn't, it has more LEDs than the Libra 2 (which has a 1500 mAh battery). This decision didn't make a lot of sense to me. Even my PocketBook HD 3 has a 1500 mAh battery. How much more weight would it add to up the battery to 1500, 1800 or even 2000 mAh?

Maybe that's what this new Kobo is going to be, a Sage with a bigger battery.

EDIT: I looked up the weight difference between a 1200 and 2000 mAh LION battery. It's about 16 grams (24 - 40, or a bit over half an ounce). So a Sage with a 2000 mAh battery would weigh 256 grams instead of 240, or about 9 ounces instead of 8.5 ounces. From my perspective, that would be a pretty good trade-off.

So a better battery is not all that much more in weight and it's worth it.

[Barty]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I'm nearsighted. Propping the reader on something would put it too far from a comfortable reading distance for me. The only way I can read is holding a device or a book up in the air. And I never read lying down. The only thing I do lying down is sleep.



So, weight is important to me, even though I have no physical disabilities.

Ditto. (I do have physical handicap, though) Ironically, the smaller readers aren't good for resting on something. A big 10" tablet is better for that

Btw i bought a box leaf 2. It's an Android 11 reader with 7" screen, 2000mah battery, page turn buttons. It's 170g. The oasis is 187g and Libra 2 is 214g. So a bigger battery isn't the problem. Most in this thread would complain it's too thin and light. (It has other issues for me)