Cured of Kobo

[WillW]

Ah I see. Kobo wins on that one for sure, particularly with such large numbers of books stored on the device. I don't keep more than two or three hundred on. I thought that was a lot

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by WillW

You can't organize collections without either doing it on the cloud or via jail-breaked systems,

I keep books in collections on my Kindle, just by creating a new collection in settings, then adding the books to it. No cloud or jailbreaking.
That's pretty much all the organising I require, otherwise I I just read books on it.
It's a PITA doing this if there are already hundreds of books on board, you have to trawl through them and tick the ones you want added, but it only needs to be done once. Easy enough when adding new books, theyre at the top of the list.

Yep, massive pita. With koreader you make your folders from your pc and toss the epubs in. No can do without root. As such Kobo > Kindle IMO

In fact you can just set the folders up on the pc and dump the epubs in then just copy them over. It's so easy, and this amazing feature is a base feature of the Kindle and Kobo OS. But Amazon won't let you use it. Nah. I'll only ever get another Kindle if a jailbreak is released.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

But with Kobo it automatically picks up the collection or series or whatever tag you wish and puts it into the correct collection when you send the books to your reader. No manual fiddling within the reader at all.

I can't imagine doing a couple thousand books manually on any reader, in fact there's no way in the world I would bother doing collections manually. I'd set Calibre to change the names to include the book series and number only.

Reading this, you make it sound like the Kobo device is doing the hard work with the collections. Nothing in what you say suggests that it is calibre, or more specifically, the KoboTouch driver that is doing all of the collection management. The driver is creating the collections and putting the books in them. Kobo devices do not use tags at all, and series info is only used for display, sorting and searching.

Collection management on a Kobo is probably as painful as on the Kindle. I haven't tried the latter, so I don't really know.

[NiLuJe]

It's made painful (for third-party tools) by the fact that the db isn't hosted on the USB partition, instead, it's hidden away in a dedicated settings system partition.

That's a win for Amazon, as it's no longer a crappy FAT32 fs, and they don't have to deal with it as far as USBMS handling is concerned, since the user/OS doesn't have access to it.

Back in ye' olden days, when they used flatfile storage to handle that, it *was* hosted on the USB partition, we could even get nested Collections going w/ the dedicated Calibre plugin, until Amazon decided: nope, not gonna happen anymore, let's move that to an SQLite db in a system partition, and update it via a REST API that, oh, surprise, takes input that eerily looks like the legacy JSON format .

Back in the flatfile days, it also took approximately seven billion years for the UI to even register that those collections were there, too ^^.

So, again, from a performance & data integrity PoV, the switch definitely makes sense for Amazon.

(Well, after they fixed the glaring issue with the size of said partition, and they realized that people could, in fact, fill it up, which lead to hilarious breakage ).

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TL;DR: I'll take Kobo's metadata handling, and Calibre's careful massaging of said data thanks to @davidfor's efforts over any sort of "Collection" support, thank you very much .

[aNullValue]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

It's years since ANY Kindle App has worked on WINE, on Linux. Calibre works good on Linux.

While slightly off-topic, I've been using Kindle 1.17 (for Windows) on Linux (via winehq-stable) for about a year. I no longer have it around (I'm changing that computer back to Windows), but it worked as of last week.

[Barbara1955]

Originally Posted by WillW

Ah I see. Kobo wins on that one for sure, particularly with such large numbers of books stored on the device. I don't keep more than two or three hundred on. I thought that was a lot

I have 4500+ on Both my Kobos No Problem

[Ripplinger]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Reading this, you make it sound like the Kobo device is doing the hard work with the collections. Nothing in what you say suggests that it is calibre, or more specifically, the KoboTouch driver that is doing all of the collection management. The driver is creating the collections and putting the books in them. Kobo devices do not use tags at all, and series info is only used for display, sorting and searching.

Collection management on a Kobo is probably as painful as on the Kindle. I haven't tried the latter, so I don't really know.

You're right, in my hurry I did leave out using Calibre and the Kobo driver to transfer books to the reader. Probably because I can't imagine ereaders without Calibre.

And yes, doing it manually on any brand reader is just as painful. Something I'd never waste my time doing.