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It's the unfortunate reality that there is some employee theft and it's the cost of doing business. It's interesting that you automatically assume that all employees are responsible for the actions of a few. If a convenience store is robbed in your neighborhood are all the residents at fault because they didn't report it. Is it ok for the store owner to setup a barricade and search everyone's car when they leave the neighborhood? I don't believe it's ok to inconvenience the masses. It's not OK that there is employee theft and it hurts the business bottom line. Any measures the company decides to take to minimize the impact should be at the company's expense. |
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It is a tradeoff. Legally, they call it terms of employment and it is usually spelled out in the employment agreement. Those startup employees working 80-100 hours signed up voluntarily. Many of them are millionaires by the time they're 30. More own their houses free and clear by 40. And in silivalley that means something. Not everybody, but a lot. Others decide the lifestyle is not for them and move on. The resume looks mighty good elsewhere so they're still ahead of the game. My brother was a mechanical engineer running the maintenance dept at a refinery. Once a year, the place shut down for maintenance for a week. Double shift for everybody. Mechanics and techs got overtime but not him. Not a problem. Because the rest of the year when things were humming, he'd get extra daytime with his kids. Two vacations a year. A nice salary and house. No time clock. And in many businesses it is, frankly, a status symbol; you are trusted to do your job and earn your keep without the monitoring of a punch card. And if it means taking an hour here and there to run errands or go to the doctor nobody blinks. The job getting done and done well is what matters. Sometimes it takes 10 hours, sometimes five. No sitting in the office twiddling thumbs if everything is covered so starting the weekend early is perfectly fine. My sister runs the entire food and beverage dept at a high end tourist resort. Certified chef among other qualifications. 50 hour weeks are normal for her. 60 hours common. It's not required of her but it *is* what her work ethic demands of her. The salary is good; her satisfaction at being among the best in her business is even better. She knows every job in her department and can and will do it at the drop of a hat as needed. Not everybody is cut out for that but she is a natural at it. She takes pride in her achievements and that comes from her value system. She is hardly unique. Most professionals are similarly driven. Exempt status *can* be abused, by the employer *and* the employee. But not every practice is an abuse. Different companies and different jobs have different cultures and practices. You live up to it or move on. Last edited by fjtorres; 12-11-2014 at 10:41 PM. |
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There was a time, in the US, when workers at a company as big as Amazon would almost surely be unionized. There would be little need to sue for something like this, because it would be handled through bargaining. In much of the EU, that's still true. But Integrity Staffing Solutions workers can't effectively unionize, because Amazon would then just contract with a different labor supply shop. To me, it's a difficult situation we have. Quote:
My guess is that Amazon executives put the search requirement into their worker services contracts from the start. Do you have any evidence that Amazon ever had a high, or even average, level of shrinkage by US retail standards? Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 12-11-2014 at 11:37 PM. |
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As for "this is how society works" -- nothing ever changes if folks don't change how "society works." Next step, Amazon employees should unionize, if Amazon can't be reasonable about this, they need to have it beaten into them. |
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I call it a "fundamental load of BS." Again, the "reality of life" is what you make it. Let's see what happens when/if Amazon employees threaten to unionize. I'll bet Amazon could figure out how to move that time clock to the outside of the screening line double quick.
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In the case of airports it's the government, not any company that inconveniences airline customers. And there's a difference between supplying what's supposed to be security against terrorism and forcing everyone to be screened to protect Amazon's bottom line. Employee theft is not a new thing. Deal with it in the way they've always dealt with it. Don't force your employees to give up hundreds of hours of unpaid time for the crimes of the few. It's fundamentally unfair and it amounts to theft -- Amazon stealing from their employees (employees sell their time).
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