T68 - Multiple problems with reboots - Page 5

HarryT · 10-03-2014, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Areinu

No. That feature is only available in Onyx firmware, not in Lynx. This way you force users to use potentially warranty breaking feature to be able to use device "normally".

What feature is only available in Onyx firmware?

dnastase · 10-03-2014, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The simple answer is to use the auto power-off feature. It takes only a few seconds to boot up, so there's little to lose by doing so. I have my T68 set to power off after 1h, and it goes for weeks between charges.

My device takes 25 seconds to boot.
Even if it would be 5 seconds, there is nothing more anoying than to wait for that while you're already ready to read ...
That might be just me I know

HarryT · 10-03-2014, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnastase

My device takes 25 seconds to boot.
Even if it would be 5 seconds, there is nothing more anoying than to wait for that while you're already ready to read ...
That might be just me I know

I just switch it on as I pick it up. By the time I've settled myself down in my chair to read it's ready.

afainber · 10-03-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Areinu

Also, I like other e-book reading apps more than official app. Unfortunately Onyx did some things to android and regular applications CAN NOT go into fullscreen. As workaround after reboot I first have to launch regular onyx reader and then I have to turn it off(the device stays in fullscreen, because regular onyx app doesn't clean up onDestroy). Only then I can turn on my desired reading app. This means it takes a lot of clicks and more time than the device boot ups to setup my reader in desirable manner.

If you're familiar with Tasker, you can easily automate entering and leaving full screen mode.

Areinu · 10-03-2014, 09:58 AM

I am not familiar with it, and if it doesn't use OnyxSDK I don't think it would be able to enter fullscreen mode. Regular applications can't go into true fullscreen(removing that big black bar on the top). When I'm reading I want to see only 3 things. The text of the book, occasional illustrations and annotations. If I see that bar I constantly check what time it is etc. It's distracting.

@Harry: the feature of automatic shutdown after set time. I was very surprised to find it on my device after I hacked it to use Onyx firmware. Especially since it's turned on by default.

You see, your mileage will vary depending on how and where you read. I tend to read when commuting to work. I don't want another thing to worry about when I'm getting ready to work like turning the device on while I close the door. Also I often read spontaneously, just picking up the reader and reading where I left off. Especially in this situation additional time for boot would be very frustrating.

afainber · 10-03-2014, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Areinu

I am not familiar with it, and if it doesn't use OnyxSDK I don't think it would be able to enter fullscreen mode. Regular applications can't go into true fullscreen(removing that big black bar on the top). When I'm reading I want to see only 3 things. The text of the book, occasional illustrations and annotations. If I see that bar I constantly check what time it is etc. It's distracting.

Ok, but please don't let my Tasker script know that you think it's not supposed to work, it might just stop doing so out of sheer shock.

HarryT · 10-03-2014, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Areinu

@Harry: the feature of automatic shutdown after set time. I was very surprised to find it on my device after I hacked it to use Onyx firmware. Especially since it's turned on by default.

That feature is also on the Lynx. I use it.

shalym · 10-03-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

That feature is also on the Lynx. I use it.

It's also on my Lynx, but I don't use it. For me, it's not worth it. I bought the sleep cover so that I could open the cover and start reading--most of the time if I have time to read during the day it's only 5 minutes here or there, and if I had to turn the reader on and wait for it to boot up every time I wouldn't even bother.

Shari

dnastase · 10-04-2014, 09:04 AM

I just can't understand how things that were introduced in much earlier Android versions and are working properly on thousands of various device cannot work on this one.
I fully charged it yesterday and then put in standby. With the wifi on, true.
Today it's depleted.
My phone, my tablet, how can they cope with this situation and don't deplete and this reader that has nothing pretty much to do while in standby can't ?!

HarryT · 10-04-2014, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnastase

I just can't understand how things that were introduced in much earlier Android versions and are working properly on thousands of various device cannot work on this one.
I fully charged it yesterday and then put in standby. With the wifi on, true.
Today it's depleted.
My phone, my tablet, how can they cope with this situation and don't deplete and this reader that has nothing pretty much to do while in standby can't ?!

I suspect you'll find that you'll get far, far better battery life if you turn WiFi off. It uses a lot of power.

dnastase · 10-04-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I suspect you'll find that you'll get far, far better battery life if you turn WiFi off. It uses a lot of power.

My point is that it's OS's job to manage that, not mine.
The same as my phone and tablet (Android as well) can turn the wifi radio off when it's not actually used, the T68 could do the same.
And since they run pretty much same Android version it should just work.

This IS a software issue, btw. Easily addressable with an update.

HarryT · 10-04-2014, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnastase

My point is that it's OS's job to manage that, not mine.
The same as my phone and tablet (Android as well) can turn the wifi radio off when it's not actually used, the T68 could do the same.
And since they run pretty much same Android version it should just work.

This IS a software issue, btw. Easily addressable with an update.

Android tablets _don't_ turn off WiFi when they're asleep. You'll still get "push" notifications (email, etc) when the tablet is asleep, and WiFi is enabled. Try it and see for yourself. My Nexus 7 will drain its battery in about 2 days if I leave it asleep with WiFi enabled. If I turn WiFi off it lasts a week.

dnastase · 10-04-2014, 11:37 AM

That sort of is my point HarryT. They manage to keep the wifi on from our perspective (see below), use it and still not waste battery.
(I still believe that wifi radio is turned off when OS deems it appropiate. You just don't see it. It's not like wifi setting is turned off but the radio. It's true that push notifications work, but you don't know the latency of that or how many retries the server does until it gives up. Obviously for usage generating from inside the device, the OS will know to turn the radio on).

HarryT · 10-04-2014, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnastase

I still believe that wifi radio is turned off when OS deems it appropiate. You just don't see it. It's not like wifi setting is turned off but the radio. It's true that push notifications work, but you don't know the latency of that or how many retries the server does until it gives up.

If I send an email from an external system to the gmail account that I have configured on my Nexus, I get the "new email" sound from the Nexus within a few seconds, even when it's asleep. That proves pretty conclusively that the WiFi radio is turned on, even when the device is asleep.

afainber · 10-04-2014, 01:51 PM

The T68/Lynx does turn off Wifi when asleep (at least it was the case before the latest couple of updates - I haven't tested it in a while). It's easily tested by continuously pinging your device and then, without stopping, putting it to sleep mode. You'll see that the pings suddenly stop working. And yes most modern Android devices do not turn off Wifi while asleep, but all the Onyx Android devices that I've had do.

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10-03-2014, 09:58 AM	#65
Areinu Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2012 Device: Sony PRS-600	I am not familiar with it, and if it doesn't use OnyxSDK I don't think it would be able to enter fullscreen mode. Regular applications can't go into true fullscreen(removing that big black bar on the top). When I'm reading I want to see only 3 things. The text of the book, occasional illustrations and annotations. If I see that bar I constantly check what time it is etc. It's distracting. @Harry: the feature of automatic shutdown after set time. I was very surprised to find it on my device after I hacked it to use Onyx firmware. Especially since it's turned on by default. You see, your mileage will vary depending on how and where you read. I tend to read when commuting to work. I don't want another thing to worry about when I'm getting ready to work like turning the device on while I close the door. Also I often read spontaneously, just picking up the reader and reading where I left off. Especially in this situation additional time for boot would be very frustrating.

10-04-2014, 09:04 AM	#69
dnastase Addict Posts: 256 Karma: 432 Join Date: May 2014 Location: New York, NY Device: NG,NSTG,NST,AuraHD,OnyxT68,Lynx, BoyueT62,NGP,Aura1,Oasis,Mars	I just can't understand how things that were introduced in much earlier Android versions and are working properly on thousands of various device cannot work on this one. I fully charged it yesterday and then put in standby. With the wifi on, true. Today it's depleted. My phone, my tablet, how can they cope with this situation and don't deplete and this reader that has nothing pretty much to do while in standby can't ?!

10-04-2014, 11:37 AM	#73
dnastase Addict Posts: 256 Karma: 432 Join Date: May 2014 Location: New York, NY Device: NG,NSTG,NST,AuraHD,OnyxT68,Lynx, BoyueT62,NGP,Aura1,Oasis,Mars	That sort of is my point HarryT. They manage to keep the wifi on from our perspective (see below), use it and still not waste battery. (I still believe that wifi radio is turned off when OS deems it appropiate. You just don't see it. It's not like wifi setting is turned off but the radio. It's true that push notifications work, but you don't know the latency of that or how many retries the server does until it gives up. Obviously for usage generating from inside the device, the OS will know to turn the radio on).

10-04-2014, 01:51 PM	#75
afainber Connoisseur Posts: 97 Karma: 7198 Join Date: Apr 2007 Device: Boyue Likebook Plus, Inkbook Explore	The T68/Lynx does turn off Wifi when asleep (at least it was the case before the latest couple of updates - I haven't tested it in a while). It's easily tested by continuously pinging your device and then, without stopping, putting it to sleep mode. You'll see that the pings suddenly stop working. And yes most modern Android devices do not turn off Wifi while asleep, but all the Onyx Android devices that I've had do.

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