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Old 07-17-2014, 05:00 PM   #61
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I don't know. At $9.99 a month they'd be going up against Scribd & Oyster so they'd likely need to have contracts with at least a couple of the big 5 and then they'd have the added exclusives of Amazon Publishing's titles.
Agreed. This will only work if they can get at least one or two big publishers on board. And they might even have to make it non-exclusive for indie titles as those exclusive ones have been available for prime for a few years now and that program has failed. The better selling indie books don't bother to go into prime/exclusive (at least not for long if they do it at all).

I think SCRIBD is doing a good job of showing it might work. It's early days yet, of course, but the concept COULD work. But they have to have the goods that people want and I'm not entirely convinced that the big publishers are going to hand over their new and popular books. The ones I saw listed early on this thread are older books.
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...I'm not entirely convinced that the big publishers are going to hand over their new and popular books.
They shouldn't. Not enmasse.

Subscription services, if done right, are supplements to sales channels, not replacements. On both the music and video sides there are restrictions, windows, and limits designed to prevent cannibalization while still offering value to consumers. In general, the video guys have done a better job of carving out a revenue-enhancing niche alongside the older distribution systems than the music guys but they also have an easier job; they started with a stable well-structured system and hadn't sat still for two decades milking one format.

I'll be wanting to see what terms Amazon cooks up on both ends of the service to balance out both reader and publisher interests but the second thing that caught my eye in the promo video is the exploration/discovery angle. Unlike other services, who actually *hope* to cannibalize sales as much as possible, Amazon has a vested interest in using KU to boost sales so their focus and terms are likely to be geared to getting readers acquainted with new authors (and genres) to build up their followers. In other words, make it a marketting tool, first and foremost.

Just a sweetly appealing one where even frogs might get a chance to get kissed.
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Either it has to be downloaded or you'll need a persistent wifi connection to read. The latter is not convenient. So the book will probably be downloaded and encrypted with a new scheme.
You'd also need a firmware update. And they have perfectly good encryption right now. The new one could be broken just as easily.
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You'd also need a firmware update. And they have perfectly good encryption right now. The new one could be broken just as easily.
Even reading over wifi would be an improvement over reading on my laptop via SCRIBD. I like their selection, but I don't have a compatible device other than my laptop and that just kills my eyeballs. That's not to say that I wouldn't prefer just downloading a book, but my e-ink kindle is a much better reader than my laptop!
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I most likely won't subscribe to Kindle Unlimited because I don't need to add to my considerable TBR pile. Now please excuse me while I check the Kindle Daily Deal...
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What's that old saying? "You've got to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince"
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Just a sweetly appealing one where even frogs might get a chance to get kissed.
Ain't there no love for monkeys in this thread?
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Monkeys don't get much fairy tale love in general.
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Do apes count? My son and I went to see Dawn of the Planet of the Apes yesterday, and we loved it!
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It just went LIVE on Amazon!
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Here's the link:
https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-eBooks...nk_423111642_2

So, cheapskate Amazon just used the rumor mill to publicize their new product for free.
Sneaky bunch.

From The Terms of service:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201556940

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As a member of Kindle Unlimited, you may read Kindle books and listen to Audible audiobooks from a designated list of titles an unlimited number of times for so long as you are a member of the program. From time to time, we may add or remove titles from the program and we make no guarantee as to the availability of specific titles or the minimum number of titles available. The program is currently only available to United States customers. If your membership ends, you will no longer have access to the titles you selected from the program.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201550610

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About Kindle Unlimited

Kindle Unlimited is a subscription that allows you to access a large selection of Kindle books.

Kindle Unlimited is a subscription that offers you unlimited access to over 600,000 Kindle books and over 2,000 audiobooks with Whispersync for Voice. You can keep up to ten books at a time and there are no due dates. Read your Kindle Unlimited books on any Kindle device or free Kindle reading apps.

If you haven't tried Kindle Unlimited before you can sign up for a free 30-day trial. At the end of your free trial, you will be automatically upgraded to a paid membership plan. To learn more about plans and pricing, visit the Kindle Unlimited page.

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To use Kindle Unlimited, you must have an Amazon account with a current, valid credit card and you must have 1-Click payments enabled.
Titles in the Kindle Unlimited catalog may change at any time.

Kindle Unlimited also includes a free Audible membership for up to three months. To redeem your Audible benefit click on the link in your welcome email or sign in to your Amazon account and visit the Audible Kindle Unlimited Gift page.
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KU 30-day trial also includes a free 3-month Audible trial

Kindle Unlimited includes a free 3-month Audible membership. This promo is available for both new and current Audible members.

The Audible link won't work until after you sign up for the free 30-day KU promo. I signed up for KU, then hit the Audible promo link and got my free Audible credit. In order to get all 3 Audible credits, you must maintain an active KU membership. I plan to terminate KU at the end of the free 30-day trial, so I'll lose the remaining 2 Audible credits. Two more months of each isn't worth $20 for me.

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In addition to the thousands of professionally narrated audiobooks included in Kindle Unlimited, subscribers get a complimentary three-month Audible membership, with access to more than 150,000 titles.
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Existing Audible members who redeem this offer will receive 1 credit upon signing up for their first month of KU. The remaining two credits will be awarded within the next two billing cycles following a KU member's first payment for the KU service, subject to maintaining KU membership in good standing.
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The KU titles are flagged in the general listings.

And KU works with the existing apps, including Kindle for Samsung.
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I love Amazon's ecosystem. In all the years I've been dealing with them, I have never spent any real money on apps, music, ebooks, and videos. The only real money I've spent on content has been for audiobooks; and that total comes to less than $20.

All hail the mighty Jeff and his free stuff
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Q: Is Kindle Unlimited available to customers living outside the US?
A: Kindle Unlimited is currently available only to US customers but we plan to expand this service to other countries. Please stay tuned.
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