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![]() Anyway, I'm a picker (I'm sure some readers know with I mean) and the reason is "A Knight in Shining Armor", romance according to your definition but not mine. Last edited by Terisa de morgan; 05-07-2014 at 12:04 PM. |
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You will find alot of books mistmatch Cozies, Urban Fantasy and Chiklit may get stuck in the wrong section. The truth is romance always focuses on the relationship of the two lead characters. It's easy though by just reading a blub to know if it's a real romance or not. The blurb will be around two people the hero and the heroine. Examples: Quote:
If the ending isn't happy it isn't romance but a Love Story. Last edited by Blossom; 05-07-2014 at 12:33 PM. |
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Jane Austen is Traditional Regency. They can be called Romances but they don't necessary fit into the main Romance genre. When we refer to Austen or Heyer it's Traditional Regency although many consider Ms. Heyer a pioneer in romance. Her books would be more Traditional Regency which is partly romance. So it's either OR.
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A misnomer. "Regency" novels refer to historical novels. Austen didn't write historical novels - her novels are contemporary to their time of writing.
You say in a previous post that Harlequin "invented" the romance genre. I would respectfully suggest that the British publisher Mills and Boon, who long, long predated Harlequin, actually did that. (Yes, I know that Harlequin now own M&B!) M&B started specialising in women's romance novels in the 1930s; Harlequin didn't start doing so until the mid 1950s. Last edited by HarryT; 05-07-2014 at 12:35 PM. |
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Harlequin is the pioneer of Romance though not MB because it was HQ that every one wanted to copy their formulas and rules. MB might have been earlier but it was HQ who made the genre famous. There is a whole genre that patterns after Austen and Heyer we call them Traditional Regency because Regency Romance is often called Wallpaper Historicals or today Regency many call Mistoricals because they are modern stories in long dresses and the reader must suspense their disbelief for enjoyment. Last edited by Blossom; 05-07-2014 at 12:51 PM. |
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Probably different in the UK. If you say "romance novels" in the UK it'll be Mills and Boon that people automatically think of. I suspect you'd struggle to find anyone who'd ever even heard of Harlequin here. It's just not a known brand name.
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You could be right on that. Here it's Harlequin and the publishers who followed after them.
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Yes, Harlequin was smart to keep the M&B brand name as what they use in the UK (& a few other places) when they bought them even though the books themselves are the same.
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Well, all that history and expectations are true, but as a genre, it has to be defined with a broader scope because there ARE readers who like romance, but don't look for that definition. I'm one and I guess HarryT is too!
And the biggest problem is that not everyone reads the books (they can't read them all) so when they are shelving, they have to take their best guess. There are readers of one of my books who consider that particular book romance. I suppose it is compared to my other books because the romance plays a much larger part. But I don't classify it as romance first because of a lot of the points you make. I only get to choose two categories per book. It will always be an issue because as a reader, I classify romance much more broadly that Harlequin. As a writer, I also classify it more broadly--and that isn't to gain sales or marketing, it's because I have to pick the two best categories available. |
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I don't get why shelving is a big deal here. Anyone can mislabel a book's genre. I've seen Westerns in the romance section! ![]() |
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I don't think every reader has to define it by the same standards or use Harlequin as the epitome. There's plenty of room to use the term in different ways/context or for some readers to feel they read romance that aren't defined that way. That's why I asked. It helps to know what the expectation is for why someone might like publishers versus indies or have issues with the labeling/terms. I was curious about it, so I asked! |
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![]() I don't mind indies if they don't go off the deep end. I do buy them but quite a few has been disappointing. The hero is abusive jerk who can do no wrong because he is super hot. I can name several Indies like that. I buy alot of back issue that are self published. I would say back issue historical romances are autobuy for me. Especially anything that was published by Zebra. We currently have historical romance crisis on our hands. The publisher's (not harlequin) are letting anyone published them these days who do not research the time period so it's like reading a modern novel. For me it's horrifying! For others who know no better they are loving it. Knowing no better in meaning they have no idea what it correct or not correct when it comes to the time period it is written in. Avon is probably the biggest one in this next to Sourcebooks who publishes these mistoricals. So I can truly worried Harlequin Historicals will be turned into a gimmicky imprint like Avon Romance has become with their historicals. They use to be one of my favorites back in the day now I avoid them due to the inaccuracies and modern dialogue they allow. |
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I agree with you about lack of research in historical novels, but that's not just something that affects the romance genre. I was recently reading a novel set in the Napoleanic Wars (1790 or so), in which people went around saying "hello" to each other. Can any author of historical novels really be so ignorant as not to know that "Hello" is a late 19th century coinage, whose first recorded usage was in 1883? Amazing.
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Can't argue on the historical point. If authors don't want to research, they need to create fantasy worlds that "look like" whatever they want to define it as, but not market it as historical (mystery, romance, etc). I see many do this and call it steampunk. That works because you can't really expect it to be accurate if you label it steampunk!
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