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Well, your disappointment really wouldn't change the world. For publishers, it's really a matter of acknowledging the reality and take the most beneficial action. I'm personally not attached to this type of moral standards. Law often have ill effect for the society if you dig deeper into it. |
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That's easy: It means a product which the author intended to be sold for money, but which you obtained for free. That's my definition of wrong. Quote:
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With (2), if the author agreed that the owner of a P-book was entitled to a free copy of the e-book, okay. However, that's not always the case. If you're expected to pay for it, you have to pay for it. No one expects that if they buy a hardback, they'll get a free paperback. The exact same issues apply. (3), (4) and (5) are simply false justifications of the taking of a book, scarce in print form or not, and not paying for it. Unless that book is in public domain, or the legal producer of the e-book is willingly giving it away, not paying for it is wrong. Quote:
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However, you should be aware that a lot of authors out there today are only selling in e-book formats, me included. So piracy of my works doesn't serve as promotion for my print books... there aren't any. Besides... I'm not going to condone someone stealing an apple, then telling all his buddies, "Hey, you should buy Farmer Jones' apples, they're great!" |
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You might consider that there may be a reason the owner does not want to release a book that you might not be privy to (maybe they're planning on turning it into a movie, and by pirating it, you just ruined the surprise ending. Bad boy!). Or maybe there is an emotional attachment with the work, and the owner does not want it released because they consider it a personal work. Either way, in a moral society, you can beg, and you can borrow... but you still can't steal. |
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When I am downloading a copyrighted book, movie, comic, album, etc. (and I get plenty of all of these) I do consider it some form of stealing and certainly rather illicit. It was pointed out that stealing a piece of digital media is a little than doing some analogous stealing of a physical or digital commodity of any preciousness. The upside of the the whole piracy thing is that it usually vastly increases the availability of media, and there's probably some saturation point where the increased exposure of a piece of media will coincide with a certain amount of legal purchases (though probably resulting in fewer overall sales than we've seen in the traditional market system, at least in the short term). I certainly think that piracy is bound to take money out of the pockets of some artists/creators, though there's also some amount of room for those people and their publishing entities to capitalize on digital distribution and strike a profitable balance.
Of course, there will always be people who will steal/pirate stuff as long as it's easily available and there aren't serious consequences for doing so. If you're going to pirate, you have to live with the fact that you're going to be screwing some people whose work you've enjoyed unless you make an effort to seek out and purchase their media or mail them a nice, big check. |
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As I said, I don't pay middlemen (other than my ISP). I'm actively trying to change the system with my sales model, or at least help to develop alternatives. It's a choice we can all make. |
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Now, if you use the free apple to entice people to your farm, where they will see other fruits that they will buy (translation: Want and can't steal)... you've got a system. In fact, you have the system used by commercial television and radio, giving you free programs in the hopes that you'll go out tomorrow and buy the soap they advertised during your favorite show. For e-book publishers, this may mean giving an e-book away in order to get the consumer to buy others... giving an e-book away in order to get you to buy the print book... or giving an e-book away in return to a paid subscription for some other service (a blog, say). These are fair and equitable deals with measurable results. Better than hoping the pirates send some legitimate buyers to your door (and not just more pirates). |
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Which I support. I also buy music direct from artists for the same reasons. I'm also buying magazine subscriptions online where I can, and pushing the editors to take on a better business model, but for now mostly they are in "try something simple to see if it works" mode rather than adding too much overhead. |
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If you have an LP, you are NOT entitled to download a CD RIP of that LP. But you are entitles to convert that LP into digital form. if you've purchased eBook in eReader format in the past to read on your PDA and now you have a 505 or a Gen3 or other eink device that will not read eReader, I don't see any issue with format shifting it to be able to still read the content on your current device. But just because you have the pBook, you still do not have the right to download a digital copy. However, you do have the right to format shift the pBook yourself.
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What, exactly, is your understanding of the phrase "protected by law"? |
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Context dependent. If you said "in the USA taking a physical good that is for sale without paying is stealing" you would be correct. But watching a television in the UK when the license fee has not been paid is not stealing. Both are "taking" as you're trying to define it.
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In the US that may be true. In Australia your statement is at best a misunderstanding. The law here is that if you own a license for the content you are permitted to possess it in whatever format you choose. You can't steal a second copy, but you're also not required to pay iTunes if you want the mp3, you can get it by whatever means, including downloading it.
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https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Digi...ooks_to_Ebooks I've added "typing it all in" since you reminded me that that is an option. |
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