Change of heart at Apple?

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

She has told me that when Apple brings out a 7" iPad, she wants one.

Wishful thinking. It isn't in Apple's best interest to make a 7" tablet. The price would have to be lower because of the smaller size and they can't compete with the Fire on price. Actually the can, but they won't. I'm not saying that there wouldn't be buyers, but if the numbers are at Android levels it's just not worth it for them.

[ProfCrash]

I ruled the Fire and Nook Tablet out early on. They are too basic for what I want. I get that they work for a lot of folks but I wanted something more powerful and that I could use out of the box without hacking. That left me with fewer, more expensive options. I probably would go with a 7 inch IPad over a Fire for the same reason. There is not enough memory on the Fire and. It has tone hacked to do a fair amount. No thanks.

[5thWiggle]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

My recollection is Compaq did it first.
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/d...able-Computer/
Phoenix was the first to *license* an IBM-compatible BIOS to all comers.

You're correct, I forgot Compaq developed it's own reverse engineered bios but didn't license it.
However, considering that the names of Apple programmers were found in the Franklin bios, I think it's safe to assume that Franklin didn't reverse engineer the entire thing.

Originally Posted by fjtorres

IBM, on the other hand, never sued over trade dress or trivialities they *knew* they would lose, just to bleed the smaller company out of the market.
Few companies are that petty.
(Shrug)

Not all lawsuits are unwarranted, but suing for every conceivable reason does lead to a fair amount of unwarranted and losing suits.

Since I do not have a direct telepathic link to the upper management at Apple, I'm not going to comment on the notion that they pettily attempt to bleed out smaller companies (only a major artery slash would bleed out Samsung, Google, Microsoft et al). I do, however, have no problem with any company protecting trademarks and trade dress, nor do I consider them trivial. They are what sets your company apart from the others in the mind of consumers. While it's true most computer and electronic companies don't defend trade dress as rigorously as does Apple, a quick Google search on trademark and trade dress litigation shows that they are not the only company that does defend it. Your choice whether to like it or not.

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by 5thWiggle

Since I do not have a direct telepathic link to the upper management at Apple, I'm not going to comment on the notion that they pettily attempt to bleed out smaller companies

Don't need to read minds.
They've done it. It is a fait accompli.
Remember the Mac Clones?
When Jobs came back to Apple he made it a policy to end clones and even sued Psystar out of business. They also sued quite a few hardware vendors in the Apple II era, not just Franklin.

They're not the only company to use lawsuits to minimize competition but they are one of the most agressive. That can hardly be disputed.

If it works for them and their customers...
(shrug)

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

They're not the only company to use lawsuits to minimize competition but they are one of the most agressive. That can hardly be disputed.

is not true. not one android device cancelled by lawsuit. and android os sells more than iphone in whole world.

not minimized

[5thWiggle]

Official mac clones => licenced not renewed.
Psystar = meh. I wonder what Microsoft's response would be to a company that sold hardware with a hacked version of Windows on it? http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/intellec...eits-40094735/

I'm not an Apple evanglist. I use some of their stuff now, and have owned a couple of macs over the year, but mostly I use what works for me at the time. I guess I just can't understand the (what seems to me to be undue) animosity toward the company and the users of it's products. It's not like Apple is making airbook cases out of compressed kittens...

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I ruled the Fire and Nook Tablet out early on. They are too basic for what I want. I get that they work for a lot of folks but I wanted something more powerful and that I could use out of the box without hacking. That left me with fewer, more expensive options. I probably would go with a 7 inch IPad over a Fire for the same reason. There is not enough memory on the Fire and. It has tone hacked to do a fair amount. No thanks.

What about this: http://www.archos.com/products/gen9/...ry=us&lang=en?

[ProfCrash]

I heard really mixed reviews about the Archos products. Some people loved them and some people hated them. My Hubby has a 4 inch Archos player that is alright but not great. I just could not feel comfortable that they would do what I wanted to do hassel free. I would rather pay more money for a product that I know will work and work well then less money for a product that has been problemastic for some folks. The Samsungs and the IPad have great reviews and tend to have very happy customers so that is what I narrowed down to.

[twowheels]

Originally Posted by HappyMartin

Not bad results from Apple I see. Amazing all the brainwashed idiots buying substandard over priced junk.

Originally Posted by wannabee

Well my wife has never been happier since I got her a "fondleslab" for Christmas.
I know she would have been disappointed if it didn't have a picture of an apple on the back.
If they want it and like what they get, then it's win win for apple and the customer.
Most people that desire an iPhone don't care much for comparison shopping. They just want the iPhone. It's eye candy all the way and if there's an apple on it, it's the right candy.

Yes, exactly why I bought one... the fact that I'm a principle software engineer and one of the lead architects for an international medical company and actually know a bit about computers didn't sway me at all, I still blindly forged forward and purchased an iPhone just for the shiny logo.

You know who else was mesmerized by that shiny Apple logo? Herb Sutter, the chair of the C++ standards committee (C++ is a programming language used in some of the most demanding computing applications ever). Even fear of losing his job as lead software architect on C++/CLI compilers at Microsoft didn't stop him from blindly buying the shiny Apple, as can be evidenced in his recent blog posting:

http://herbsutter.com/2012/04/24/mobile-vs-pc/

He was even playing music from his iPhone the last time I saw him! Brainwashed I tell you!

Yep, the blind ignorant masses...

[afv011]

Originally Posted by twowheels

I still blindly forged forward and purchased an iPhone just for the shiny logo.

I'm glad we're all on the same page. I guess you also bought one of those cases with a window on the back, so you can proudly display the almighty logo?

[fjtorres]

Re: OP - "Change of Heart at Apple?"
Apparently not:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57...col;topStories

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I would rather pay more money for a product that I know will work and work well to.

save time money frustration like this

good thing is multiple companys now really into quality not just low price

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

That always leads me to the question, what is seamless worth?

I run Sansa Clip+s for my audio needs. They cost about 1/8 an iPod Nano 5th gen, and sound just as good. But to play something, I have to search and select music, then folders, then usb chip, (it has an external micro usb chip slot), the select the folder (playlist) I want and play. It's around 15 button manipulations.

I don't doubt that the iPod is more seamless. But how much is the 10-15 seconds to get it going worth? (I don't care about the color screen, I use a music player for playing music only, not for seeing color pictures.)

My husband and I both have iPhones. We got ours prior to the Android having any phones. When my last phone was stolen...bought a new iPhone and I was back in business...not an app out of place, not a contact missing...even my home screen still looked the same.

I do a lot of my music on the go...once I plug in my phone its on my computer.

I buy my husband audible books. Direct download to his iTunes with no problems.

I hate managing my music...so I don't. If I had to manage this stuff I would no longer buy any music. While I find my books worth the time to manage...I don't feel the same about music. If I had to worry about getting the music from one platform to another I would just never buy any.


But that's just me. I expect everyone is different and people will have different needs.

Originally Posted by afv011

I'm glad we're all on the same page. I guess you also bought one of those cases with a window on the back, so you can proudly display the almighty logo?

I think he was being sarcastic...

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I heard really mixed reviews about the Archos products. Some people loved them and some people hated them. My Hubby has a 4 inch Archos player that is alright but not great. I just could not feel comfortable that they would do what I wanted to do hassel free. I would rather pay more money for a product that I know will work and work well then less money for a product that has been problemastic for some folks. The Samsungs and the IPad have great reviews and tend to have very happy customers so that is what I narrowed down to.

I've had no troubles with mine (gen8) and I dropped it a few times. I'm waiting for the next generation (gen10) because they are going to have a high end model this time: http://armdevices.net/2012/03/15/arc...50e-announced/. I hope that Charbax's hopes come true and it will have a PixelQi screen. Then I would definitely get it and turn my current one into an Ubuntu tablet: http://liliputing.com/2012/03/ubuntu...8-tablets.html.

[frahse]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

Wishful thinking. It isn't in Apple's best interest to make a 7" tablet. The price would have to be lower because of the smaller size and they can't compete with the Fire on price. Actually the can, but they won't. I'm not saying that there wouldn't be buyers, but if the numbers are at Android levels it's just not worth it for them.

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I ruled the Fire and Nook Tablet out early on. They are too basic for what I want. I get that they work for a lot of folks but I wanted something more powerful and that I could use out of the box without hacking. That left me with fewer, more expensive options. I probably would go with a 7 inch IPad over a Fire for the same reason. There is not enough memory on the Fire and. It has tone hacked to do a fair amount. No thanks.

I have to disagree on what most say about a 7" iPad. I believe that Apple could sell a 7" iPad at the same cost of a 9.7" iPad or even say $50 cheaper and sell a lot of them. Some of the regular iPad customers would get them so they could more easily carry them about.

Simply put:
7" iPad for $499. Convenient. Fits most purses and man-purses. Also inside jacket pockets.

They don't have to compete on price. The Apple aficionados would buy it for the regular price, but if they needed an excuse, they could just say they didn't expect to have the same volume for the 7" product.

(I hope "Apple aficionado" isn't considered name calling.)