Mac vx. PC: The Stereotypes May Be True - Page 5

pdurrant · 03-20-2012, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

dell sells a similar machine but it won't let me downgrade it enough to get lower than 900
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...piron-one-2320

i got it down to 6gb ram and tb hard drive.

hp touchsmart, same deal, but still cant downgrade enough to get to mac specs. $579
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...s_ts320_buy_uf

wanna do laptops too?

Nice try.

The HP has a smaller screen (couldn't find specs for the quality of the screen) and slower graphics card, no firewire or thunderbolt. Granted, the HP did come with 1TB not 500GB hard drive.

When I added in the items to match the Mac spec (except firewire and thunderbolt), I got to $1107.98. 2.5GHz Quad core, remember.

• Genuine Windows 7 Professional [64-bit]
• AMD quad-core A8-3820 Accelerated Processor [ 2.5GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, Max Memory Speed: DDR3-1600]
• FREE UPGRADE to 4GB DDR3-1333MHz SODIMM [2 DIMMs] from 2GB
• 1TB 7200 rpm SATA hard drive
• Microsoft(R) Office Starter: reduced-functionality Word & Excel w/ ads. No PowerPoint or Outlook
• No additional security software
• Integrated graphics - ATI Radeon HD 4270
• Speaker System Z313
• Slim Tray SuperMulti DVD burner
• Premium Wireless-N LAN card and Bluetooth(R )(2x2)
• 6 in 1 memory card reader, 2 x USB 2.0, audio
• No TV Tuner
• Integrated sound
• HP wireless keyboard and wireless optical mouse
• Roxio PhotoSuite 9 Deluxe
• SAVE $20 on Roxio Creator 2012

Even leaving off the iPhoto and iMovie software equivalents, it come to $989.98.

The Dell is interesting. 23" screen which is a bonus. But nowhere near half the price.

You lose, I think. You have not found a similar spec machine anywhere near half the price.

Of course, you can find machines that are half the price. Which may be all some people want. I didn't dispute that.

I did say that you couldn't get the same spec machine for half price. Thanks for demonstrating that that's true.

Chi Cygni · 03-20-2012, 04:09 PM

OCD lol

then again I must be a lazy bum that wants a genie in a bottle that thinks for me

DiapDealer · 03-20-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

What I find interesting is the requirements that people who prefer Macs must be hipsters or some other name used in a derogatory fashion.

It's gotten really really old now. You guys are turning into parodies of yourselves. At this point we might as well drag amazon & copyright into it so Giggles and Jon can come and play. One big happy fighting family.

Are the people that you quoted the one's you're addressing here?

I'm fairly certain I don't participate in calling Mac users derogatory names. As I indicated before, I have uses for all three of the major OSs at different times for different things. I'm agnostic when it comes to OS choice... which is what I was implying by agreeing that that there's no real difference between Mac and PC. It's all personal computing hardware with software that works for somebody.

But perhaps I've completely misread your post? I do that occasionally.

EDIT: never mind. I'm obviously confused. But mostly happy I'm on the sidelines of the whole Mac vs PC thang.

anamardoll · 03-20-2012, 04:23 PM

It's a big thread -- I assumed she was talking to someone other than you or me.

I don't think Mac users are hipsters, but I do remember that -- at least for awhile there -- all the really nice artistic programs (including Scrivener!) were Mac-only. So I think that's where the stereotype came from.

I want to be artistic and sync with Scrivener but the Windows version hasn't been updated yet I don't think.

obsessed2 · 03-20-2012, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdurrant

You were the one making the claim. I dispute your claim. You should do the leg work.

But I'll do half of it for you.

iMac:
21.5" 1920x1080 resolution screen
2.5GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
4GB RAM
500GB Hard drive
AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB
Bluetooth multi-touch mouse or trackpad
Bluetooth keyboard
Firewire and thunderbolt interfaces
web camera
Small desk footprint

Bundled Software:
Mac OX S Lion
iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband
Mail, iCal, Addressbook
Time Machine backup software

tech specs are here: http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

Note that this machine hasn't changed in price since it was released nearly a year ago. You should find this an easy challenge.

$1199.

Please find something similar in a Windows PC for $599 (half price). Full Windows 7 please, and roughly equivalent bundled software.

Please see the accompanying photos:

http://www.geekosystem.com/ipad-china-proview/

http://kotaku.com/5885932/this-is-ch...ting-sued-over

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...pad_sales.html

david_e · 03-20-2012, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anamardoll

It's a big thread -- I assumed she was talking to someone other than you or me.

I don't think Mac users are hipsters, but I do remember that -- at least for awhile there -- all the really nice artistic programs (including Scrivener!) were Mac-only. So I think that's where the stereotype came from.

I want to be artistic and sync with Scrivener but the Windows version hasn't been updated yet I don't think.

I thought Scrivener for windows had updated. It is out of beta. I just sent a link to the windows version to a friend as I use and love the mac version.

wodin · 03-20-2012, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anamardoll

I'm so glad it's not just me!!

And I think you're spot-on about the control factor. I want to control EVERYTHING. I love it when an android app has 500 preference options. *snuggle* And it's so frustrating to me when, on an iDevice, I can't even FIND a "preferences" dialog. IT MUST BE HERE SOMEWHERE. RIGHT?

Must be!

anamardoll · 03-20-2012, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david_e

I thought Scrivener for windows had updated. It is out of beta. I just sent a link to the windows version to a friend as I use and love the mac version.

It hasn't been updated since they left beta to my knowledge. I bought it right out of the gate. No updates so far, and no Sync which has been the highest request on the forums, as far as I can see.

I'm not complaining, as I love the tool. I'm just jealous that the Mac version is so much more robust.

MrsJoseph · 03-20-2012, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Are the people that you quoted the one's you're addressing here?

I'm fairly certain I don't participate in calling Mac users derogatory names. As I indicated before, I have uses for all three of the major OSs at different times for different things. I'm agnostic when it comes to OS choice... which is what I was implying by agreeing that that there's no real difference between Mac and PC. It's all personal computing hardware with software that works for somebody.

But perhaps I've completely misread your post? I do that occasionally.

EDIT: never mind. I'm obviously confused. But mostly happy I'm on the sidelines of the whole Mac vs PC thang.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anamardoll

It's a big thread -- I assumed she was talking to someone other than you or me.

I don't think Mac users are hipsters, but I do remember that -- at least for awhile there -- all the really nice artistic programs (including Scrivener!) were Mac-only. So I think that's where the stereotype came from.

I want to be artistic and sync with Scrivener but the Windows version hasn't been updated yet I don't think.

Oops! I highlighted the posts I liked, lol.

Sorry about the confusion.

Lemurion · 03-20-2012, 09:40 PM

I don't know how you'd categorize me, and nor do I care. I have a Mac and a Windows PC on my desk, and use both an iPhone and an Android tablet on a daily basis. I swap back and forth several times a day without thinking of it.

hidari · 03-20-2012, 10:14 PM

My 2 Yens worth..... I think that having Android (though I think Google would have preferred the official Chrome OS) to finally be growing in the market....along with ereaders has helped to make Linux or linux based OSes more popular to where now we actually have Windows OS, Mac OS and Linux OS variants to chose from in a large variety of devices. I think that is good for the market and will hopefully keep the market more innovative for years to come without killing off any one OS (Actually, I wish their were more OSes that were popular).

As far as Mac vs PC... Too many cliches on both sides.... PCs have more choices of software...maybe true but not so much anymore.... Macs never break down or get viruses... and PCs do....(cough, cough)....I have not had any of my PCs get a virus or breakdown for more than a decade...one of my old PCs..a Toshiba is 8 years old and still works for a mate of mine....In the end the more choices the better for market.

Personally, I have had too many Mac users over the years coming across as overzealous in their love of Mac and condemning of all non-mac machines. I just find it ironic that most of these people use Microsoft Word...which I have not used since Open office 1.0 came out...not to mention Office libre, Atlantis, Google Docs...and several other companies that make good word, excel,etc... software for windows, mac and linux systems......

Rizla · 03-20-2012, 10:33 PM

I can't get over the weird single-button mouse design on the Mac laptops. I mean, why not have two buttons? Der.

elcreative · 03-20-2012, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rizla

I can't get over the weird single-button mouse design on the Mac laptops. I mean, why not have two buttons? Der.

Funny, never saw a mouse on a Mac laptop... only trackpad...

and mice for Macs have been as many buttons as you want for years... and all fully programmable without needing any extra drivers... no difference in using PCs to Macs these days from that point...

Lemurion · 03-20-2012, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elcreative

Funny, never saw a mouse on a Mac laptop... only trackpad...

and mice for Macs have been as many buttons as you want for years... and all fully programmable without needing any extra drivers... no difference in using PCs to Macs these days from that point...

Heck, I use a Logitech Mouse and a Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard on my Mac. I do most of my work on the Mac and nobody makes a better keyboard.

Andrew H. · 03-20-2012, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemurion

Heck, I use a Logitech Mouse and a Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard on my Mac. I do most of my work on the Mac and nobody makes a better keyboard.

Unicomp makes a better keyboard: http://pckeyboard.com/

/hijack

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03-20-2012, 04:09 PM	#62
Chi Cygni 秋子 permanently lurking Posts: 844 Karma: 6590735 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Europe Device: Oasis 3, Pocketbook Era	OCD lol then again I must be a lazy bum that wants a genie in a bottle that thinks for me

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anamardoll Chasing Butterflies Posts: 3,132 Karma: 5074169 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: American Southwest Device: Uses batteries.	It's a big thread -- I assumed she was talking to someone other than you or me. I don't think Mac users are hipsters, but I do remember that -- at least for awhile there -- all the really nice artistic programs (including Scrivener!) were Mac-only. So I think that's where the stereotype came from. I want to be artistic and sync with Scrivener but the Windows version hasn't been updated yet I don't think.

03-20-2012, 09:40 PM	#70
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I don't know how you'd categorize me, and nor do I care. I have a Mac and a Windows PC on my desk, and use both an iPhone and an Android tablet on a daily basis. I swap back and forth several times a day without thinking of it.

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hidari MR Drone Posts: 1,613 Karma: 15612282 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DRONEZONE Device: PB360+, Huawei MP5, Libra H20	My 2 Yens worth..... I think that having Android (though I think Google would have preferred the official Chrome OS) to finally be growing in the market....along with ereaders has helped to make Linux or linux based OSes more popular to where now we actually have Windows OS, Mac OS and Linux OS variants to chose from in a large variety of devices. I think that is good for the market and will hopefully keep the market more innovative for years to come without killing off any one OS (Actually, I wish their were more OSes that were popular). As far as Mac vs PC... Too many cliches on both sides.... PCs have more choices of software...maybe true but not so much anymore.... Macs never break down or get viruses... and PCs do....(cough, cough)....I have not had any of my PCs get a virus or breakdown for more than a decade...one of my old PCs..a Toshiba is 8 years old and still works for a mate of mine....In the end the more choices the better for market. Personally, I have had too many Mac users over the years coming across as overzealous in their love of Mac and condemning of all non-mac machines. I just find it ironic that most of these people use Microsoft Word...which I have not used since Open office 1.0 came out...not to mention Office libre, Atlantis, Google Docs...and several other companies that make good word, excel,etc... software for windows, mac and linux systems......

03-20-2012, 10:33 PM	#72
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