Early report on the Amazon Kindle, due Nov 2011. - Page 5

JeremyR · 09-04-2011, 06:12 PM

Regardless of personal preference, the Nook Color was a smashing success in terms of sales, and really outflanked Amazon.

This is their answer to it. I just think it's a shame it seems to be worse than the Nook Color and they don't have an answer to the iPad, which is more important in the long run. Lots of people who were on the fence have no doubt given up waiting for a mythical Amazon 10" tablet sometime in a future, and bought either an iPad or android (or will this Holiday).

SCION · 09-04-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyR

...it seems to be worse than the Nook Color ...

How so?

captkjaneway · 09-05-2011, 02:19 AM

If this is anyway true then Amazon will have dropped a bollock IMHO.

I will rather play with my 7" Archos that cost a mere £120 and is rooted, has 8gb on board plus SD expansion, has onboard Kindle as well as proper video, music and web accessibility.

I don't want a Nook clone, or a iPad wannabe........for me less is more and I would have rather seen improvements in the software on the Kindle than all this.

gers1978 · 09-05-2011, 05:45 AM

For me, no-one has mentioned the big reason to like the e-ink Kindle over say, an iPad, as an e-reader: distractions. I used my iPad as a reader before I bought a Kindle and it was great. But it was far too distrating to have emails buzzing in every 2 mins, or if I read about a name in a book and thought "I wonder who that is", it was too easy to jump to Safari and look them up, then end up spending ages on the web. Or if you get to a slightly boring chapter of a book it was too easy to say "sod this, I'm gonna stop reading and play Angry Birds".

The big thing for me is the Kindle is, to all intents and purposes, a book. A tablet is a computer/gadget that can be used for reading books. Subtle but important difference if you ask me.

kennyc · 09-05-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lordblacknail

I agree. People that bought their Kindle to read books will probably not have an interest in a touch screen, plus, like you say, it is gimped.

I agree. I was hoping it was going to be more of a standard Android tablet running honeycomb, but doesn't sound like it according to that article, unless of course it really just is speculation or intentional market spin/redirection from Amazon themselves...

Still I would hope that the tech-boys will have it rooted by the time it arrives.

JD78 · 09-05-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I agree. I was hoping it was going to be more of a standard Android tablet running honeycomb, but doesn't sound like it according to that article, unless of course it really just is speculation or intentional market spin/redirection from Amazon themselves...

Still I would hope that the tech-boys will have it rooted by the time it arrives.

I actually like what Amazon is doing... If they went the Honeycomb route then they would have to rely and wait on Google for updates. By taking Android and making it their own, they control the updates directly. Honeycomb is still a beta product IMO, and this way Amazon has more control and can give it more polish. Once Android offers an update that Amazon wants to work with they can always build on top of that as well.

I don't think I will dump my iPad for this, but I do like what it sounds like they are doing.

Harmon · 09-05-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by travfar

Finally a Kindle thant won't be sandpaper for the eyes. Let's hope the 3G version still has free global internet. And let's pray they have a KSO version.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/02/amazon-kindle-tablet/

Here's my prediction from back in July:

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My guess is that the TK4 will have a 7 inch screen to position it against the Color Nook at a lower price. It will be 3G & WiFi. $169

If you consider that the predicted cost of the 7 inch Amazon tablet is $250, with free Prime, that comes out to a net cost of...$171. I'm going to count that as a win, even though the 3G part will evidently be delayed.

Harmon · 09-05-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors

Can someone please explain to me what the point of LCD e-readers is?

I thought e-readers existed so people could read on a screen that doesn't hurt their eyes, on a device that doesn't need to be plugged in after a couple hours of untethered use. As far as I can tell, there is no other reason for e-readers to exist.

An LCD e-reader fulfills neither of those needs. Why do they exist? Why do people buy them?

Let me recast your question: why is there no 7 inch e-ink EBR? The answer to that question is, I think, that for the cost differential, most people would just buy the 6 inch. So there is no market for a 7 inch e-ink EBR.

If that's correct, then apparently people are only willing to buy a 7 inch EBR if there is some perceived added value. That value, it seems to me, is primarily color plus, to a lesser extent, touch and perhaps a better navigation interface.

Harmon · 09-05-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Atilla

250 bucks for a severely gimped tablet is not going to be a big hit. In my opinion.

That's true if what you want is a tablet.

But this is not a tablet. This is Amazon-in-your-Pocket for $171, taking into account Prime.

I think a whole lotta people are going to get this.

greencat · 09-09-2011, 02:05 PM

I agree. If this comes with Prime and free video - it'll reach a whole difference audience who are perhaps more casual readers but avid video watchers/music players.

Personally, I'm not in the market for one (I have a Kindle & iPad already) but I can see why others would be.

frahse · 09-09-2011, 04:26 PM

It is a lot easier to judge things if you at least attempt to put aside prejudice.

The Kindle, the Nook, the Ipad and all the other devices including my 23 inch desktop, and 15 inch notebook make it easier to get, read and store books and other reading matter.

Isn't that what this forum is all about.

I look forward to comparing the Kindle Color with a touch screen and the Nook Color 2. I love my Kindle 3G as far as reading goes but navigation is a real pain. A touch screen would be much easier to use but it will add nothing to the reading experience.

On another subject. I don't believe this so called cloud storage and experience is going to be all the sellers are claiming it will be. Unless you are paying the cellular companies through the nose for their data services, you won't be able to touch the clouds all the time. WiFi is not always available. I like ample device storage, and frankly, I have envied the Nook crowd for having it with their extra SD card storage.

frahse · 09-09-2011, 04:40 PM

One other thing. Just yesterday, I went in a BAM store and happened to look at their Nook display since I am now in the market and I wanted a new look at the current Nooks.

Unfortunately the "new" Nook gray scale ($139) was discharged and when I attempted to hook it up where I thought it would have power, the alarm went off, so the clerk came over, apologized for the lack of a charge, then went to the back of the store to put it on a charger and to cut off the alarm. I never got to put the Nook gray scale through its paces.

I do know now that the new Nook gray scale is a neat smaller tablet than the Kindle 3 and has a virtual keyboard (when it is charged). Those two attributes make me want to try it. It appeared from the information there that it and the current Nook Color does not have a browser (internet) like the Kindle but that they might be getting one.

Some feedback on the browser situation would be welcome.

djulian · 09-09-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by frahse

One other thing. Just yesterday, I went in a BAM store and happened to look at their Nook display since I am now in the market and I wanted a new look at the current Nooks.

Unfortunately the "new" Nook gray scale ($139) was discharged and when I attempted to hook it up where I thought it would have power, the alarm went off, so the clerk came over, apologized for the lack of a charge, then went to the back of the store to put it on a charger and to cut off the alarm. I never got to put the Nook gray scale through its paces.

I do know now that the new Nook gray scale is a neat smaller tablet than the Kindle 3 and has a virtual keyboard (when it is charged). Those two attributes make me want to try it. It appeared from the information there that it and the current Nook Color does not have a browser (internet) like the Kindle but that they might be getting one.

Some feedback on the browser situation would be welcome.

The Nook Color has a browser (and e-mail, etc). The new Nook Touch does not have a browser per se--it has a way to get to a browser, if I'm understanding the comments by other users, but I think it requires some finagling. That is, if "finagling" is a word.

OtterBooks · 09-09-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors

But even a tablet makes more sense to me than an LCD e-reader.

It's a tablet. They can market it however they want, but we know what category of device it is so it's not really our problem how they choose to market it. It may be a toned down tablet, in the same way a $500 budget laptop and a $1500 gaming laptop are both laptop computers.

OtterBooks · 09-09-2011, 09:04 PM

The Techcrunch article said a lot while saying almost nothing other than the prize, size, and "omg the OS is so different." We haven't seen the OS. We haven't seen the display. We don't know about its processing specs. We don't know about its connectivity. We don't have full details regarding its ecosystem perks or if it's closed/open/somewhere inbetween. We don't know jack.

09-09-2011, 04:26 PM	#71
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,315 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	People are confusing themselves. It is a lot easier to judge things if you at least attempt to put aside prejudice. The Kindle, the Nook, the Ipad and all the other devices including my 23 inch desktop, and 15 inch notebook make it easier to get, read and store books and other reading matter. Isn't that what this forum is all about. I look forward to comparing the Kindle Color with a touch screen and the Nook Color 2. I love my Kindle 3G as far as reading goes but navigation is a real pain. A touch screen would be much easier to use but it will add nothing to the reading experience. On another subject. I don't believe this so called cloud storage and experience is going to be all the sellers are claiming it will be. Unless you are paying the cellular companies through the nose for their data services, you won't be able to touch the clouds all the time. WiFi is not always available. I like ample device storage, and frankly, I have envied the Nook crowd for having it with their extra SD card storage.

09-09-2011, 09:04 PM	#75
OtterBooks Wizard Posts: 1,262 Karma: 2979086 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 4, iPad Mini/Retina	The Techcrunch article said a lot while saying almost nothing other than the prize, size, and "omg the OS is so different." We haven't seen the OS. We haven't seen the display. We don't know about its processing specs. We don't know about its connectivity. We don't have full details regarding its ecosystem perks or if it's closed/open/somewhere inbetween. We don't know jack. Last edited by OtterBooks; 09-09-2011 at 09:07 PM.

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JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	Regardless of personal preference, the Nook Color was a smashing success in terms of sales, and really outflanked Amazon. This is their answer to it. I just think it's a shame it seems to be worse than the Nook Color and they don't have an answer to the iPad, which is more important in the long run. Lots of people who were on the fence have no doubt given up waiting for a mythical Amazon 10" tablet sometime in a future, and bought either an iPad or android (or will this Holiday).

09-05-2011, 02:19 AM	#63
captkjaneway Cockney Sci-Fi Geek! Posts: 472 Karma: 1463094 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Wan Chai, Hong Kong Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Samsung Tab S 8.4", Samsung S6 Edge	If this is anyway true then Amazon will have dropped a bollock IMHO. I will rather play with my 7" Archos that cost a mere £120 and is rooted, has 8gb on board plus SD expansion, has onboard Kindle as well as proper video, music and web accessibility. I don't want a Nook clone, or a iPad wannabe........for me less is more and I would have rather seen improvements in the software on the Kindle than all this.

09-05-2011, 05:45 AM	#64
gers1978 Addict Posts: 392 Karma: 1008414 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: Kindle	For me, no-one has mentioned the big reason to like the e-ink Kindle over say, an iPad, as an e-reader: distractions. I used my iPad as a reader before I bought a Kindle and it was great. But it was far too distrating to have emails buzzing in every 2 mins, or if I read about a name in a book and thought "I wonder who that is", it was too easy to jump to Safari and look them up, then end up spending ages on the web. Or if you get to a slightly boring chapter of a book it was too easy to say "sod this, I'm gonna stop reading and play Angry Birds". The big thing for me is the Kindle is, to all intents and purposes, a book. A tablet is a computer/gadget that can be used for reading books. Subtle but important difference if you ask me.

09-09-2011, 02:05 PM	#70
greencat Freebie finder Posts: 907 Karma: 2046472 Join Date: Jul 2009 Device: Sony, Kindle	I agree. If this comes with Prime and free video - it'll reach a whole difference audience who are perhaps more casual readers but avid video watchers/music players. Personally, I'm not in the market for one (I have a Kindle & iPad already) but I can see why others would be.

09-09-2011, 04:40 PM	#72
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,315 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	One other thing. Just yesterday, I went in a BAM store and happened to look at their Nook display since I am now in the market and I wanted a new look at the current Nooks. Unfortunately the "new" Nook gray scale ($139) was discharged and when I attempted to hook it up where I thought it would have power, the alarm went off, so the clerk came over, apologized for the lack of a charge, then went to the back of the store to put it on a charger and to cut off the alarm. I never got to put the Nook gray scale through its paces. I do know now that the new Nook gray scale is a neat smaller tablet than the Kindle 3 and has a virtual keyboard (when it is charged). Those two attributes make me want to try it. It appeared from the information there that it and the current Nook Color does not have a browser (internet) like the Kindle but that they might be getting one. Some feedback on the browser situation would be welcome.

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