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It is a commonly used phrase. Ask around Hollywood.
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Anyway, I have no desire to drag this particular topic around the block one more time. We can agree to disagree, or I'll be in the next room having a beer while the rest of you argue about it. Meanwhile, I'll still be curious to see how the original topic turns out. |
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You're probably going to disagree. That's fine, which is why I suggest we keep it there. |
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I don't know about the US but in Germany the industry seems to have failed completely to establish the sense of copyright infringement = stealing in the population at large. It rather seems to be something like a parking violation. You don't announce to the public that you are parking illegally but it doesn't particularly affect your social standing if people know that you are doing so. People who would never accept to be given a DVD that was stolen from a shop won't mind to be given the movie on that DVD as a data file. Given that you can put a lifetime's worth of reading on a single SD card I don't see how the industry has any realistic chance to get this under control.
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Why would asking around Hollywood be any indication as to if a phrase is common or not? what an odd statement.
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It's also a shame that you did not clarify your "irrelevant" statement with regards to rogue_librarian's proposition of the difference between physical and digital objects. Anyway, yes we have gone on a tangent (and I can agree to disagree which should be obvious). As to the original post, I don't think we will gain any real clarity of the success. It will really depend by what metric E-read chooses to see/define such. Last edited by molman; 09-05-2011 at 05:12 AM. Reason: typo |
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It isn't about rights or entitlement, it's about availability. If the writer/publisher doesn't want to sell it, people will look for alternative sources. For realbooks they will look on Amazon/Ebay/etc for a second hand copy. That source doesn't exist for ebooks, but neither do most of the excuses for not making them legally available forever.
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Publishers have more to fear from writers thinking they aren't necessary to bring a book to market than they have from piracy. Playing on a writer's natural fear of piracy, exagerating its detrimental effect, and then offering a service to stamp it out, would be a good additional service for a publisher to provide to writers. The promise of all those extra millions of sales would make them think it was definitely worth giving the publisher 70% or more of their income for uploading the ebook to Amazon, etc. (I know they do other things as well.) |
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I am curious about your moral stand on the pirating issue. You say it's wrong for pirates to distribute work that isn't theirs for no profit, but you see no problem with you making a profit off their work to digitize your novel.
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I started typing a response to the various points and queries, and suddenly flashed on this image:
![]() This stuff has been talked to death already here, and that's not how I want to spend my Labor Day (holiday in the U.S.) ![]() So if we disagree, let's just agree to disagree. Agreed? |
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Agreed.
btw. Enjoy your day off, lucky b.. ![]() Last edited by molman; 09-05-2011 at 05:00 PM. |
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The issue is that Hamstersoft plagiarized Calibre code: used them without giving due recognition. The very definition of intellectual theft. Granted, piracy is wrong, we do not disagree on that, but piracy and plagiarism are two different things that have two different consequences. |
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If someone steals your car while you are on vacation, and when you have recovered it you discover that they have changed the oil and filled the tank, I don't see any moral issue with driving the car with those improvements. If you don't own anything, you don't gain any rights over it (moral or otherwise) by improving it.
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