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Old 06-24-2011, 05:04 AM   #61
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Ah, I'm following you now. Sorry, it's 2AM over here... my brain is a tad sluggish at the moment.

But wait... wouldn't the registered serial number of the ereader itself be evidence of legal ownership? I still say that watermarks are intended to help identify people illegally distributing and pirating ebooks (although I'll acquiesce to the argument that a side benefit may be that it can prove ownership).
What registered serial number? I never registered mine anywhere... Wouldn't even know where to find it on my Mini, for instance (can't check the Sony, that one is at home)
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The serial number is on the back of the Sony but more important than that I would think, is when you register the unit to ADE or the Sony Reader Library. It shows it was yours and when you did so.
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Call me crazy but I really like the idea of having a watermark on MY purchased ebooks. Beats the heck out of DRM and I like the idea of having a "customized" ebook just for me. Maybe I'm being naive.
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Call me crazy but I really like the idea of having a watermark on MY purchased ebooks. Beats the heck out of DRM and I like the idea of having a "customized" ebook just for me. Maybe I'm being naive.
You're not crazy or naive. I'll take this sort of "piracy deterrent" over the standard DRM (that locks you into specific devices) any day of the week.
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I still say that watermarks are intended to help identify people illegally distributing and pirating ebooks (although I'll acquiesce to the argument that a side benefit may be that it can prove ownership).
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You're not crazy or naive. I'll take this sort of "piracy deterrent" over the standard DRM (that locks you into specific devices) any day of the week.
Right, the water mark is more to discourage "sharing" than to prove ownership. However, it is still just like locks on houses, it only keeps the honest honest. If someone wants in and they don't mind breaking a window or kicking down the door they are in.

The benefit of a watermark over DRM is that the publisher/author is saying we trust you to not give this to others and we want you to enjoy it on any device you have, from your PC to your Kindle, Sony, DSi, Gameboy, whatever.

We all of course know removing a watermark will be just as easy as removing DRM. While I have removed DRM on my purchases to use it on an alternate device, I have never removed a watermark on the ebooks I have bought that use them. Both Pragmatic programmers and Manning Books put watermarks in their PDFs.

Why is it every thread on MR seems to move towards copyright and DRM? Hmmm...

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Why is it every thread on MR seems to move towards copyright and DRM? Hmmm...
I picture a big giant funnel. Some threads can stick to the sides for a little while, but they all eventually slip and go down the hole.
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This thread has made me want to re-read the Harry Potter series. I don't often re-read stuff.

Perhaps October would be a good time to start... if the price is right.

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I picture a big giant funnel. Some threads can stick to the sides for a little while, but they all eventually slip and go down the hole.
I think you're actually describing a toilet.
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I think you're actually describing a toilet.
Tunnel... foilet... doesn't really change the metaphor a whole lot either way, does it?
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This thread has made me want to re-read the Harry Potter series. I don't often re-read stuff.

Perhaps October would be a good time to start... if the price is right.

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I second that BOb!

Can't wait to see the pricing speculation begin.
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Right, the water mark is more to discourage "sharing" than to prove ownership. However, it is still just like locks on houses, it only keeps the honest honest. If someone wants in and they don't mind breaking a window or kicking down the door they are in.
Well, yeah. That's why I said "intended" purpose. Just like "DRM is intended to stop piracy" or "I intended to go to the gym today"...

And of course, we have the intended purpose of the internet (actually, this one seems to be pretty accurate):
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Can't wait to see the pricing speculation begin.
You missed it. It started on a different thread yesterday:
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new Sony 675 = $230
HP eBooks = $20 ea x 7 = $140

HP branded Sony 675 with all 7 HP books preloaded = $350

such a deal
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned really, is that other companies are already doing this. O'Reilly does DRM free but watermarked ebooks. No one has had issues with them doing that.
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Incredible how many of the negative responses to eBooks come from people who have never tried eBooks. How about... "After having badmouthed eBooks for years, author J.K. Rowling finally tried eBooks and discovered that they are great." I confess that I had to try them to love them myself.
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No, it benefits you. It's a label saying "this is Jon's book". Should anyone else get hold of it, the watermark is proof that the book is your property, not theirs. It's like tagging your property so it can be identified if it's stolen.
Oh, so if someone manages to get a copy of any of my HP eBooks, that person is going to return it to me? I don't think so. I think it's more likely that if someone unauthorized did get a hold of any of my HP eBooks, that whatever books were out there would be spread far and wide. Sorry, but it is not the same as a name plate in a paper book.

It's just a way to track you down should any of your copies get loose.
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