HP Touchpad: 'the last stand for competitors for the iPad'

[RockdaMan]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

iPhone sales slipped in proportion to Android sales. That's clear from the figures I quoted.

That's different from what I asked for.

The answer is no, iPhone sales have not slowed. Apple is still selling every single device they can manufacture. Android, for all it's great growth, is affecting the business of companies other than Apple.

I'll consider this debate dead (and won) unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course.

[bhartman36]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

That's different from what I asked for.

So if HP/Palm sold 1,000 more units than they did last quarter, they're on the rebound, even if their share went down?

Your total sales going up doesn't really mean jack if your competitor's sales are going up faster and they're eating away at your market share.

[RockdaMan]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

How far have iPhone sales fallen since Androids ascendancy?

[RockdaMan]

Pogues Touchpad review:

In this 1.0 incarnation, the TouchPad doesn’t come close to being as complete or mature as the iPad or the best Android tablets; you’d be shortchanging yourself by buying one right now, unless you’re some kind of rabid A.B.A. nut (Anything but Apple).

But there are signs of greatness here. H.P. is coming to this battle very late, but it says it intends to stay the course. True, it’s tilting at windmills — but at least it’s riding an impressive steed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/te...30pogueAA.html

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

That's different from what I asked for.

The answer is no, iPhone sales have not slowed. Apple is still selling every single device they can manufacture. Android, for all it's great growth, is affecting the business of companies other than Apple.

I'll consider this debate dead (and won) unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course.

Not quite true, in Asia nowadays you can walk in and ask for an iPhone4 and get one immediately. So definitely the days of "they can sell every single unit they can manufacture" are over. They have plenty of stock.

And while they are still growing unit wise they are growing much slower than the market as a whole --- just like Nokia and RIM did last year. RIMs sales figures have been going up, however, nobody has declared them big winners, as far as I can see.

So if you think that increasing sales at a much slower rate than the competition and the market as a whole is an Apple "victory", then you have indeed "won" the debate.

[=X=]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

Pogues Touchpad review:



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/te...30pogueAA.html

His opening paragraph was great!

WebOS is probably has the best human interface of all mobile devices, much better than Android, iOS, RIM, and Windows. It's too bad Palm's marketing decisions stalled the product long enough for it's competitors to bury it. HP does have high hopes for this OS, lets see if they can realize their expectations.

Originally Posted by HansTWN

.... RIMs sales figures have been going up, however, nobody has declared them big winners, as far as I can see....

Well put, product leaders have always been about market share and not sales.

=X=

[HansTWN]

The fact that people mention the A.B.A. crowd (which consists of those interested in technology and those burned by fruity products and policies), but rarely the much more aggressive N.B.A. (Nothing But Apple) crowd speaks volumes for Apple's marketing prowess.

Coming back to the HP, it is rather sad that such a wonderful OS is stuck in such sad hardware (thick and heavy). And we know HP can do so much better --- besides, they had plenty of time.

[RockdaMan]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

The fact that people mention the A.B.A. crowd (which consists of those interested in technology and those burned by fruity products and policies

along with the irrationally unreasonable give apple credit for nothing crowd...

[bhartman36]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

So if you think that increasing sales at a much slower rate than the competition and the market as a whole is an Apple "victory", then you have indeed "won" the debate.

Thank you. That was essentially my point. iPhone sales may be going up from quarter to quarter, but Android sales are going up faster, and they're selling more. That's only "winning" for Apple in the Charlie Sheen sense of the word.

[RainingLemur]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

Thank you. That was essentially my point. iPhone sales may be going up from quarter to quarter, but Android sales are going up faster, and they're selling more. That's only "winning" for Apple in the Charlie Sheen sense of the word.

I don't even think Adonis DNA and tiger's blood would keep Jobs' pancreatic cancer from smiting him.

[bhartman36]

Originally Posted by RainingLemur

I don't even think Adonis DNA and tiger's blood would keep Jobs' pancreatic cancer from smiting him.

Ouch. That's kinda cold....

[RockdaMan]

Originally Posted by bhartman36

Thank you. That was essentially my point.

No, your point was that Apple iPhone sales were slowing and that Apple was being trounced. In no sense of the word is that happening when they are breaking both their own sales and profit records quarter by quarter.

But lets divorce the OS from the discussion and talk about the hardware -- after all, Apple does both hw and sw while Google mostly does just one (rightly so--wasn't the nexus one a sales disaster?)

How many of Google's partners (HTC, Samsung, etc) have a single cell phone model that is outsells the iPhone on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis?

[RockdaMan]

Originally Posted by RainingLemur

I don't even think Adonis DNA and tiger's blood would keep Jobs' pancreatic cancer from smiting him.

Disgusting.

[Greg Anos]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

No, your point was that Apple iPhone sales were slowing and that Apple was being trounced. In no sense of the word is that happening when they are breaking both their own sales and profit records quarter by quarter.

But lets divorce the OS from the discussion and talk about the hardware -- after all, Apple does both hw and sw while Google mostly does just one (rightly so--wasn't the nexus one a sales disaster?)

How many of Google's partners (HTC, Samsung, etc) have a single cell phone model that is outsells the iPhone on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis?

Sony Betamax outsold any individual brand of VHS for a long time...

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by carld

Last stand? Android tablets are barely getting started. Wait until it has a mature OS on reasonably priced hardware. I have no doubt at all that Android will eventually dominate tablets.

I'm not so sure. Windows 8 (which will have a proper tablet version) could be a serious rival. At the end of the day people buy computers to run programs on, and people want to run pretty much the same stuff on a tablet that they do on their laptop or desktop PC.