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Ok as the OP here, I am going to call
![]() In turn, I am going to pose a question that I am curious to know what more of you think of from the orignal wired.com article - Do you find ebooks more disposable than paper ones? Do you keep multiple backups? Are you more apt to delete an ebook or give away a DTB? Do you feel that this is a valid argument against ereading? Why? |
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I understand that it happens, because I've started writing posts, stopped to do something else, and then continued not realizing that somebody might have written something relevant in the meantime. But do you realize that you have edited every single one of your posts in this thread? It is a little disconcerting when I read your post, hit reply, and see a slightly different post between the quotes than the one that I just read. And on the point that you were making in the initial post, the things that are lacking in today's ereaders, might be improved with a future update. I don't think that anybody would say that the note taking options are perfect, but there are advantages over handwritten ones. |
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However I haven't been in the ebook world for long enough to know if this is going to hold. I think that it would be easy for example to say that I can remove a public domain book from all my devices, because I can always download it later if I wanted to. |
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A lot people will buy a mass market paperback and read it once, then either toss it out or give it away/sell it. So, if this is a valid argument against preading, then the fact that a lot of people will only read an ebook once and then toss it out, is also a valid argument against ereading. And I even have problems giving away a book as gift (meaning: a book I bought specifically for somebody to give as a gift...) I couldn't part with all my own loved books, be they p or e! |
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Yeah, the bait-and-response is over, OP. I learned my lesson.
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Besides which, your comparison of my extensive editing to the dishonesty of bandwidth stealing seems totally false. On the one hand, you have an innocent act of revision that doesn't hurt anyone and is intended to improve the experience of reading the post. On the other, you have someone who's creating massive pseudo-traffic for someone else, which can pose problems (and even shut-downs) for the site owner. Not exactly parallel situations. Besides which, people revise their writing all the time with no motive but to improve it. Quote:
The whole paper-versus-eReader interpretation had nothing to do with my idea. I was actually lobbying for an improved backup system and thinking about Sony readers specifically, since I own a few and the post by the college student was so sad. We can all empathize with someone who loses everything at the very end of a project. I once knew a producer who spent $200,000 recording tracks on an album and left the analog tapes in a cab. No system is perfect, but there has to be some kind of backup. Hard copies aren't necessarily the answer either. What I'd like to see is a backup system that saves (1) notes in their positions on the eBook's page, presumably as pictures, and (2) a plain text file of the notes. If that existed, the Wired writer's criticism about notes would be irrelevant. It's difficult to make specific pronouncements about the eBooks because the formats and concept are in their relative infancy. Imagine how many things might have changed by the time virtually every book in print is also available as an eBook. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-19-2011 at 06:30 PM. |
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I used to toss or give away books in the past, as I didn't want the dust collectors on my shelves. These days, I thoroughly enjoy having most digital. It makes it easy to keep all the books without the dust and shelve space, easy to move house with and easy to back up.
To me, that means ebooks are less disposable than paper books. |
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But I doubt he made that mistake ever again. He told me about this twenty years after it happened and he was still a prolific producer when I knew him. |
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Which is why I always print in the margins of p-books. As for ebooks, I find the Kindle's passage copying and annotation functions are excellent, and I don't miss writing in the margins. As a plus, the notes and copied passages are all stored in a file that is easily downloaded into my PC along with their locations in the books. This makes research a breeze. |
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Most of us haven't got space for multiple hard copies of everything, especially as we get older. Those who continue buying/making physical copies tend to show up on the Hoarding Channel. That's an argument in favor of eBooks over physical books -- as long as a reliable backup system's in place, ideally allowing whatever kinds of backup files the user finds most helpful. Quote:
I expect she's now typing her notes elsewhere instead of using her reader's stylus. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-15-2011 at 10:31 AM. |
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I'd like to see what 3.500 books would look like in any average house. If his complaint was you couldn't keep all your books in one place, I wonder what kind of house he has that he can keep all his books in one place. And if he ever goes on holiday (or if he does, how he'll take all his books with him all in one place!) |
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As a student, I used to differentiate between books needed for grueling study and those I intended to keep. Even in temporarily useful books, I tended to use a soft pencil after grade school, where I learned about the limitations of erasable pens.
(Perhaps that makes me a temporary leper.) Sometimes people have to mark a physical book when they're studying for a deadline. It isn't the same as finding a memorable line in the midst of casual reading -- a line which is probably better to paste or enter into an email to themselves. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-15-2011 at 10:43 AM. |
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