Sharing ebooks???

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

I don't want to be the poster boy for ebook piracy - and there will be one.

Besides the fact that an ebook is not a vessel and that it therefore cannot be 'pirated' (newspeak for 'shared') may I modestly but in all sincerity offer my humble candidature for such a high and noble office?

[Giggleton]

So If I receive a text, from an unknown source, with no attribution given as to the author, what am I to do? Not read the text?? I think not. Is it now the readers duty to determine that everything they read falls within the legalities of their countries copyright system?

That sounds ridiculous to me, especially now that copyright is no longer needed when our network is able to distribute wealth to the most meaningful creators according to their creations importance to the network.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

So If I receive a text, from an unknown source, with no attribution given as to the author, what am I to do? Not read the text?? I think not. Is it now the readers duty to determine that everything they read falls within the legalities of their countries copyright system?

That sounds ridiculous to me, especially now that copyright is no longer needed when our network is able to distribute wealth to the most meaningful creators according to their creations importance to the network.

There you go again giggles. Yes, you clearly know in most cases whether you are accepting stolen property or not. It up to you to have the ethical fortitude to do the right thing.

Anything else is ridiculous and will result in the destruction of society.

Let's start with you sending me whats in your bank account and your retirement account. You do have a retirement account, right? you're not expecting society to provide you with free room and board are you?

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by kennyc

There you go again giggles. Yes, you clearly know in most cases whether you are accepting stolen property or not. It up to you to have the ethical fortitude to do the right thing.

Anything else is ridiculous and will result in the destruction of society.

Let's start with you sending me whats in your bank account and your retirement account. You do have a retirement account, right? you're not expecting society to provide you with free room and board are you?

All I think about is copyright. Its abolishment is not ridiculous, in fact my ethics tells me that the only way to progress from this zero sum game is to get rid of copyright entirely and build a new society, one based not on the buying and selling of goods but something else...

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

All I think about is copyright. Its abolishment is not ridiculous, in fact my ethics tells me that the only way to progress from this zero sum game is to get rid of copyright entirely and build a new society, one based not on the buying and selling of goods but something else...

Of course it's ridiculious. You have this incredibly simplistic (and ridiculous) view that everything should be free. As I said, let's start with you giving up your savings and depositing it in my bank account. Then we'll see what you think about everything being free.

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

build a new society,

every progress which mankind has made was initially ferociously opposed by reactionaries who always warned of a true apocalypse if any backward and immoral aspect of our society are abolished or even disobeyed. that is par for the course. in fact, we should expect that. after all, once somebody has fully assimilated corporate-speak terms like 'piracy' he/she is unlikely to do much critical thinking.

FYI - here is a great book about this mindset.

Have a great-week end, cheers!

[kennyc]

Oh WOW ! A free book! Quick Giggly! Grab it!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Farhad

every progress which mankind has made was initially ferociously opposed by reactionaries who always warned of a true apocalypse if any backward and immoral aspect of our society are abolished or even disobeyed. that is par for the course. in fact, we should expect that. after all, once somebody has fully assimilated corporate-speak terms like 'piracy' he/she is unlikely to do much critical thinking.

FYI - here is a great book about this mindset.

Have a great-week end, cheers!

I think you are exaggerating a wee bit. Certainly change (particularly) significant change can be met with skepticism -- it is pure human nature. Also I don't think it Authoritarian thinking (as covered by that book) that you are thinking of but more the mindset that maintains the status quo.

On thing I do believe is inevitable is that the current publishers must change their ways. They are actively blocking establishment of a new way of publishing books - ebooks in particular because they are attempting to maintain the status quo.

Changing the way a business works is a very different thing than claiming that the product has no value and should be free. That is not how society works, it will never work that way because of human nature. The kids these days (perhaps you two) think they are entitled to have everything laid out before them for free. They've never had to actually work for a living, never had to strive to obtain something, never had to pay the price to survive.

Do you know why?

It's because all the prior generation sacrificed life, limb and fortunes to make this country (U.S.A. - and many countries around the world) beacons of prosperity to provide comfort, shelter, and an easy life for their children.

And look at what it has become. A society of entitlement, whiners and slackers that think everything should be free.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Of course it's ridiculious. You have this incredibly simplistic (and ridiculous) view that everything should be free. As I said, let's start with you giving up your savings and depositing it in my bank account. Then we'll see what you think about everything being free.

Why would I need to do that if everything was free?

[elcreative]

+∞

What he said... especially last three paras...

Originally Posted by kennyc

I think you are exaggerating a wee bit. Certainly change (particularly) significant change can be met with skepticism -- it is pure human nature. Also I don't think it Authoritarian thinking (as covered by that book) that you are thinking of but more the mindset that maintains the status quo.

On thing I do believe is inevitable is that the current publishers must change their ways. They are actively blocking establishment of a new way of publishing books - ebooks in particular because they are attempting to maintain the status quo.

Changing the way a business works is a very different thing than claiming that the product has no value and should be free. That is not how society works, it will never work that way because of human nature. The kids these days (perhaps you two) think they are entitled to have everything laid out before them for free. They've never had to actually work for a living, never had to strive to obtain something, never had to pay the price to survive.

Do you know why?

It's because all the prior generation sacrificed life, limb and fortunes to make this country (U.S.A. - and many countries around the world) beacons of prosperity to provide comfort, shelter, and an easy life for their children.

And look at what it has become. A society of entitlement, whiners and slackers that think everything should be free.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by elcreative

+∞

What he said... especially last three paras...

Ah, and Kenny, I'd give you some K. if you please stop quoting G. + F. Have them happily on my ignore list and you spoil it.

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Ah, and Kenny, I'd give you some K. if you please stop quoting G. + F. Have them happily on my ignore list and you spoil it.

agreeing with an argument given in response to a statement you cannot see - this really makes my case better than anything I could possibly say

See'yall on Monday

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Oh WOW ! A free book! Quick Giggly! Grab it!

That book's in PDF format, what I'll do is download, convert to Epub, then reupload with payment link to author if possible.

Nothing is free in this universe, what I am suggesting is probably similar to your rethinking publishing ideas. I expect people to pay for things that are worthy. To this end it is a simple step to making all digital content freely available to all with the expectations of payment to be made after download, not prior. Just a little reversal you see!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Why would I need to do that if everything was free?

Cause you don't need it and I can use it to jump-start the "new society."

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

breaking the law is a serious matter. I strip the DRM off every book I get.

It's not a good idea to admit to law breaking on a public forum, even if circumvention of copyright protection for private use is a silly thing for your government to make illegal.